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hey guys i just had a question question. I have this co worker, she has an audi A4 1.8T, she told me that while in las vegas a specv pulled up next to her and she looked at him like if he wasnt shi*. My question is, How fast is the A4 compared to the specV is it a lot of difference in speed wise? I have a specV of my own and it pist me off that she said that about the specv. If its about the same i want to hit her up and shut her up. I looked it up and what i found is that the A4 has 170hp and 166lbs tourq. which one is faster?
 

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If you can shift well you will beat a newer A4 pretty easily. If it is an older A4, you will rip it a new one. If you Spec is bolted, it will be an even bigger slaughter.
 

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but if she has mods she's not telling you about...she'll rape you.


AT THE TRACK of course.
 

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chimmike said:
but if she has mods she's not telling you about...she'll rape you.


AT THE TRACK of course.
Well of course at the track. ;)

IRRC that 1.8t is the same engine in GTIs. Good engine but the car is a fat boat.
 

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thats why im a fan of turbos tho (this my be abit ingnorant so fill me in if im wrong) with the turbos you can turn up the boost alittle and get more HP rather than with N/A you need to buy a new intake and exhaust setup. if your bossted you could just buy a new boost controler and take it up to say 12psi....and thats what? $50?
 

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...if your bossted you could just buy a new boost controler and take it up to say 12psi....
then your car blows up and you have to buy a new engine.

Some engines can handle higher boost, some go bust. You really have to upgrade internals for high boost. Especially on pump gas.
 

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turbos love cold weather. higher elavation is better for it, so ive heard. also, u can beat any 1.8t depends on the driver. audi/vw auto grouppes are heavy ass cars. i wouldnt worry about an A4 niehter, those things are like boats. float in luxury but sacrafice ur speed buddy. kind of a waste putting a 180 hp engine into an Audi. it just doesnt go together.

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1.6pete said:
thats why im a fan of turbos tho (this my be abit ingnorant so fill me in if im wrong) with the turbos you can turn up the boost alittle and get more HP rather than with N/A you need to buy a new intake and exhaust setup. if your bossted you could just buy a new boost controler and take it up to say 12psi....and thats what? $50?
IIRC with the 1.8T, a new ECU gives something like 50WHP on the older and 60+ on the newer. They can handle it. Chipped GTIs with the 1.8t, exhaust and a good drivers have been known to be landed in the high 13s.

and any car tested in higher elevation will be slower, turbocharged vehciles even more ;) if you look at some road and track test articles in high elevations, you will see rather quick lux/sport cars taking 8-10 seconds to reach 60.
 

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As a former 1.8T owner, yes a $300 chip/93octane will put you at close to 16psi vs the 9 or so psi from the factory, and the internals are fine until you get over 250hp, it's the DV valve that will go first plus the trannies are shit. VW rates the 2002+ 1.8T's at 180hp, 176tq. Dnyo'd my stock 02 1.8T GTI at 195hp, 196tq (15% loss), and with a chip she did 230hp, 245tq (15% loss), and all that torque was available at about 1800rpm. That ain't too shabby. But wheelspin was ridiculous, and getting anything close to a good launch, with or w/o the traction control was impossible, plus there's always the fear of the tranny and diff fragmenting.
Intake and exhaust will add another 10 to those numbers. And FWIW there are high elevation chips made to keep performance gains close to that of sea level burns.

Now that being said, the early 1.8T's in VW's were 150 hp, and depending on the engine code, some couldn't be chipped, and those that could saw a good 50-60# gain on torque and hp. Audi's have always had the higher boost program stock (compared to VW), and so the numbers will be close to what I gained if chipped. BUT- Audi's are hella heavier, and especially more so if it's Quattro.

So, if your friend's is unmodded, with the Spec's short gearing you'd whoop some ass off the line. Driver skills will definately play alot in this too.
Something tells me you'd have no trouble against her.
 

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the 1.8T has the torque available so low because the turbo is absolutely tiny and produces enough flow at low rpm for torque hehe
 

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i just love turbo cars. you can pull so much more HP from them with far less money than an N/A. but the blasted insurance prices deter anyone under the age of 30 to buy one! unless you find a lope hole. like a turbo volvo :D no one suspects the 240 volvo (thanks radio for making me aware of this gem :thumbup: )
 

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cant always go by hp and torgue numbers .... i love turbos as well but they kinda die up top where an na really takes over ... my mx-6 is turbo .. 2.2 turbo intercooled ... bone stock 125 hp ... only 15 more than the non turbo model lol .. and 155 tq ... now, i got a boost gauge and bought myself about 5 psimore boost with a homemade boost controller ... and i maybe gained 5 hp 5 tq if im lucky, but seriously that car could hang with my sentra before, and now id suspect it would edge it out in a drag race at the track... and my sentra is 175 hp 185 tq stock. well im just saying its more than just hp and tq that gets u a fast car.
 

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okay, i had a spec... Best friend has a 98 2.6 v6 5 spd... not a 1.8 t, but its all i got...

1st gear... he took off... damn AWD...
2nd gear... slowly catching up
3-6 buh bye...

make sure you are on a track...;)

and this was bone stock v bone stock...
 

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cant always go by hp and torgue numbers .... i love turbos as well but they kinda die up top where an na really takes over .

dude, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. N/A takes over in top end? Seriously....don't say this anymore, you look incredibly stupid.

and if your car only made 5hp from an extra 5psi, something was wrong. SERIOUSLY wrong. The average number is 10hp per 1psi of boost.
 

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well im just saying its more than just hp and tq that gets u a fast car.

Obviously handling plays a part, but in a drag race, horsepower/torque will ALWAYS win (given equal drivers)
 

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dude, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. N/A takes over in top end? Seriously....don't say this anymore, you look incredibly stupid.

and if your car only made 5hp from an extra 5psi, something was wrong. SERIOUSLY wrong. The average number is 10hp per 1psi of boost.
The only reason a turbo would die at top end is because of the tiny turbo from the factory, not because it's a turbo car. They use small turbo's for the shorest turbo lag. Customers hate turbo lag even tho the car would be faster if it had a bigger turbo.
 

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actually most people dont know what turbo lag is so how could they hate it? the use small turbos to increase the life of the motor. Big turbo= big boost= blown motor, not good for a new car that you have to warrant.

also, the 1.8T motor does not die at the top end. It has amazing top end power. I have friends with stock and stage 3 upgragded 1.8T's and the top end power only gets better with mods.

Now please do a little reaserch before you post, it makes you look like and idiot
 

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no, really, they use small turbos so that there's a seamless gain of power when boost kicks in. Most people that buy the 1.8T are driving jettas and aren't all about the MaDD pOwAH....they don't want a surge of power. They want it to feel seamless.

Anyways.....that guy is proof that owning a turbo car doesn't make you knowledgeable at all on how turbos work or how good they really are.

You show me a 200whp 4cyl n/a car and I'll show you a 200whp turbo 4cyl car with a better, fatter powerband and stronger top end ;)
 

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chimmike said:
and if your car only made 5hp from an extra 5psi, something was wrong. SERIOUSLY wrong. The average number is 10hp per 1psi of boost.
holy crap! that really is amazing! so with a $100 boost controler, and if you pump about 2 or 3 psi (shouldnt have a bad effect on a turbo motor right?) you could gain at the very least say 20 hp!? wow, i had no idea the numbers were that high :jawdrop:
one question tho: how can you make a turbo motor with bigger TQ numbers than HP? would that mean you need a smaller turbo? im guessing this is true because of that evo FQ400 clip in OT where it has a giant turbo but that crapy little fiat took it in a 5th gear pull.
 
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