Please tell me in detail how to replace transmission fluid on a 2015 Rogue. Can Valvoline fluid be used instead of NS3? My car had 103,000 mi, had not previously had a transmission fluid change and the transmission had no problems. I brought the car to Valvoline shop to change the oil and transmission fluid. Valvoline did not warn me that the change of fluid could cause a transmission failure as the fluid was old. Valvoline changed my oil and transmission fluid in 30 minutes right after I arrived at the shop without waiting for the tranny to cool down. I was in the car the entire time. I was charged for 20 pints of fluid. The transmission failed after 200 miles. What do you think happened? an the tranny fluid be safely changed in 20 minutes while I was in the car?
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Sounds like they overfilled it. Overfilling is CVT-death, it causes the fluid to foam and form hot-spots on the belt and pulleys which quickly trash the belt. Most places will charge you for 5 qts, but the tranny will only need about 4. You're supposed to pull the leveling plug and let the excess back out until the level is correct. They probably just dumped in 5 quarts and called it good.
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Thank you for your response. That is very helpful. Please note they charged me for and I assume put in put in 20 pints or 10 quarts. I don’t know if they measured the amount of fluid that came out. I also don’t have any record of what the temperature was when they put it in. I’ve heard that is also very important.
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Not nearly as important as not overfilling. Opening the leveling plug while cold will simply leave the fluid a little short, which is fine. Nissan/Jatco CVT's won't even notice half a quart under, it will just make the fluid wear out a little faster. Half a quart over is a death sentence.
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Thank you again. One last question. How long does it usually take to do a combination oil and transmission fluid change?
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If the tranny is already warm, probably 30 minutes. Figure 20 for the spill-and-fills and then 10 more to get the tranny temp back up and crack the plug. It's much longer with a cold tranny unless you raise the temperature artificially with a torque converter stall.
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Can the oil change add to the time or is it done at the same time as the tranny change? If it takes 10 minutes to drive to the shop, how long to cool the tranny down?
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They can be drained simultaneously. Ten minutes isn't a very long drive for purposes of warming the tranny, but it should have been warm enough for changing, probably 120~130F when you arrived.
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I have been dealing with these "level" fluid procedures since 2013.
Jettas, Camaro, Mustang, all have the; run the car idle at X temp, till fluid stops coming out...
I have not ONCE, followed the procedure. I drain it, measure, and put in what came out.
You really can't go wrong with measuring and putting in what came out, unless you're
leaking fluid somewhere.
So, If there is a spec, and what I took out is less than what the service manual says it should
be, then I put in what the manual calls for. If, in the end it only takes 4-liters, then that's
all you put in from there on out. Drain it, cap it, pour the 4-liters in and be done with it.
The service manual tells you what it takes, from bone dry, to just a pan drop.
Overfilling? It only becomes an issue when you go too far. A pint, or two, will not hurt
anything. Half to a full quart, can cause those issues, foaming and so forth.
If you added a cooler, then you need to take that into consideration. I plan on adding the
external cooling kit for mine as soon as possible. However, the 4-core front mount Aux
cooler, and hoses can't hold more than a few pints:
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The 3rd gen Rogue CVT was changed, the belt does not bathe in the trans oil
anymore. They changed it so that part of the primary pulley is not bathing in the
fluid anymore.
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The picture doesn't do justice. They make it appear that there is just less fluid in the 3rd gen version trans.
All that they really had to do was change the tilt. Here though, they look the same, just the one on the
right, the NEWER one, has less fluid in it, but that is not the case.
I have never had a transmission fail on me, doing it my way. So, it can't be all that prudent, to fill it,
idle it to X degrees, pull the plug and wait for fluid to stop dripping. Never done it that way, ever...
HEAT is the #1 killer of automatic transmissions.
Jettas, Camaro, Mustang, all have the; run the car idle at X temp, till fluid stops coming out...
I have not ONCE, followed the procedure. I drain it, measure, and put in what came out.
You really can't go wrong with measuring and putting in what came out, unless you're
leaking fluid somewhere.
So, If there is a spec, and what I took out is less than what the service manual says it should
be, then I put in what the manual calls for. If, in the end it only takes 4-liters, then that's
all you put in from there on out. Drain it, cap it, pour the 4-liters in and be done with it.
The service manual tells you what it takes, from bone dry, to just a pan drop.
Overfilling? It only becomes an issue when you go too far. A pint, or two, will not hurt
anything. Half to a full quart, can cause those issues, foaming and so forth.
If you added a cooler, then you need to take that into consideration. I plan on adding the
external cooling kit for mine as soon as possible. However, the 4-core front mount Aux
cooler, and hoses can't hold more than a few pints:
The 3rd gen Rogue CVT was changed, the belt does not bathe in the trans oil
anymore. They changed it so that part of the primary pulley is not bathing in the
fluid anymore.
The picture doesn't do justice. They make it appear that there is just less fluid in the 3rd gen version trans.
All that they really had to do was change the tilt. Here though, they look the same, just the one on the
right, the NEWER one, has less fluid in it, but that is not the case.
I have never had a transmission fail on me, doing it my way. So, it can't be all that prudent, to fill it,
idle it to X degrees, pull the plug and wait for fluid to stop dripping. Never done it that way, ever...
HEAT is the #1 killer of automatic transmissions.
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Even a pint can hurt a CVT in the long look. But otherwise I totally agree, spill-measure-fill. As long as your tranny doesn't leak, you can't go wrong with that regardless of tranny type.
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A pint is a half a quart, I meant a half pint, to one pint, sorry...
All the videos I see are 4 quarts out, with just the drain, not a pan drop and
filter change. You will need more with a pan drop, and filter change.
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Did mine Thursday. Only got 3.5 out, but I put 4 in.
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Could be a mistake. Watch your fluid temperature like a hawk, because they really hate being overfull.
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I have seen tons of videos, and they all drained four quarts.
The service manual says 3 liters, which is 3.25 quarts.
Service manual tells you do do the change twice, and they
use a "change" pipe to pump it in, from under the car. I have
the pump and all the fittings for that, but I took the cap off the
dip-stick tube and filled that way.
The service manual also says to drain it, fill it, plug it, start the car,
brake, put in L for 5 seconds, then put in P for 5 seconds. Turn the
car off, drain it again, and fill it again again, then level check.
So, you need 7 quarts for the procedure.
Edit: Ten quarts if you follow the service manual procedure.
The service manual says 3 liters, which is 3.25 quarts.
Service manual tells you do do the change twice, and they
use a "change" pipe to pump it in, from under the car. I have
the pump and all the fittings for that, but I took the cap off the
dip-stick tube and filled that way.
The service manual also says to drain it, fill it, plug it, start the car,
brake, put in L for 5 seconds, then put in P for 5 seconds. Turn the
car off, drain it again, and fill it again again, then level check.
So, you need 7 quarts for the procedure.
Edit: Ten quarts if you follow the service manual procedure.
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Using the factory procedure requires the car being level and basically the same sorts of strictures as using the overflow plug. It's not necessary under any normal circumstances, unless you have a leak. For regular DIY maintenance, just replace exactly what you take out.
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Do it right the FIRST time, and you won't have to do it over.
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"Right" is a relative term. The FSM procedure is fine, but for routine maintenance it isn't necessary...
...and since it does need to be done "over and over" but we're not talking about mowing the grass, the potential for a DIYer without a lift making mistakes and hurting his tranny instead of helping it is greatly increased. I see dead trannies literally every day in the shop, and some percentage of them are always some well-meaning DIYer who overfilled the damn thing.
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Do it right the FIRST time, and you won't have to do it over.
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