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From: Kallie Melchor
>Subject: FW: Fight Gas Prices
>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:30:03 -0600
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>Subject: Join the resistance!
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>I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want
>gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united
>action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE
>SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going
>around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because
>they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
>It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
>BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really
>work.
>Please read it and join with us!
>By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super
>cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town.
>Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think
>that the cost! of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take
>aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace....not
>sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers
>need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come
>down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!
>And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our
>cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices
>if we all act together to force a price war.
>Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline
>from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they
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>are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If
>they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But
>to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil
>gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this
>point...keep
>reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
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>I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at
>least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
>more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
>sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>consumers! If those three million get excited and ! pass this on to ten
>friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes
>one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
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>Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If you
>don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send
>this to 10 people... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician.
>But I am ... so trust me on this one.)
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>How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten
>more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
>conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think
>you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a
>difference.
>If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT
>UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS
>CAN REALLY WORK.
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>Kerry Lyle, Director, Research Coordinator
>Interventional Cardiology Research Laboratories
>Division of Cardiovascular Diseases
>932 Ziegler Research Bldg
>703 South 19th Street
>University of Alabama @ B'ham
>Birmingham, Al 35294-0007
>Phone: (205) 934-6163
>Fax: (205) 934-7360


might work...iunno
 

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how retarted.. all that will do is require them to raise prices even more.. because they arent making any money..
 

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noo...supply and demand chuck. if you raise ur prices, people will be less inclined to buy ur product vs other companies who sell it cheaper.
 

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yea lol it doesn't matter to me i just thought if someone might want to spread it, go right ahead. i get my gas from sam's or shell
 

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Tickwomp said:
yea lol it doesn't matter to me i just thought if someone might want to spread it, go right ahead. i get my gas from sam's or shell
i stopped going to exxon/mobil gas stations when i realize the chevron down my street is quite cheap.

i still bust my wallet every 4000 miles to exxon/mobil though.

by the way, if supply/demand rule applies, wouldn't all other companies other than exxon/mobil will jack up their prices?
 

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man nobody buys from Exxon and mobil! you should see, everytime i go to wal-mart or that murphy gas place its packed with cars! you have to make a line to get gas! unlike those Exxon who never have customers... but anyway, murphy USA has cheap gas, cheaper than the rest.
 

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i dont think so. if exxon mobile went cheaper, then the other companies would either suffer the loss of some customers (which may balance out with higher gas prices), or drop prices to the same amount to compete. not like i really notice the difference, i generally go to whoever's cheaper. but i favor shell since i have a shell card :)
 

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Chevron Gas is the only gas that I run in my car. And nothing under 92 Octane. There's a reason that Detroit auto makers truck Chevron up north just to test their cars on it. It runs cleaner and produces more power. That's why they apend upwards of 50 bux a gallon just to have it shipped up there.

-David-
 

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Tickwomp said:
i dont think so. if exxon mobile went cheaper, then the other companies would either suffer the loss of some customers (which may balance out with higher gas prices), or drop prices to the same amount to compete. not like i really notice the difference, i generally go to whoever's cheaper. but i favor shell since i have a shell card :)
Same here,I got the Shall card with discount also.So I'm almost alway get mine at Shall. :thumbup:
 

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(this message is going a lot of places... forgive the format, and so you know... I am actually the proud owner of an 84 300zx :) I'm posting this everywhere I can, and came across this thread on google by chance.)

I just received a bulletin message from one of my friends and I thought I would pass it along... even though it won't work. It is down at the bottom of this message but first I thought I should take a moment to educate the people who read this, and if you want you can pass it along or tell your friends or whatever it is you people do, then feel free to.

First a little background on how I know this stuff. I just completed a research paper on Peak Oil. In the process I looked up books, read scientific articles published in academic journals, and spent a lot of time combing through the web site www.peakoil.org which has links to many web sites and articles on the subject. Now, I consider myself a man of reason and science, so I don't tend to jump on ideas very quickly. I can tell you though, this is the real deal.

Here is the story in a nutshell. The theory of peak oil simply states that oil is a finite resource and it's discovery follows a bell curve. Meaning that it starts out slow, rises to a peak and then gradually falls again. This discovery curve is matched similarly by a production curve showing the max amount of oil that can be produced.

I'll let you go read around for the science behind it all, but get this. Dr. Hubbert, who came up with the theory, used it in the 1950s to correctly predict the peak of oil production in the United States, which occured in 1970.

Worldwide discovery of new oil fields peaked in 1964. That means that since that time, less and less oil is discovered every year. In recent years there have been no major oil discoveries. Bluntly put, we've pretty much found all of it. Any amount we find now will be hard to get, and not substanial enough to slow the peak.

Scientists are predicting that the peak will occur sometime in this decade, it could be right now.

What does this mean to you? Demand for oil is rising every day as countries like China and India industrialize. But after the peak the amount of oil we are able to produce will be less and less every year. Prices will go up as production decreases, and continue to rise till the last drop of oil is pumped from the ground.

There is no need to panic though, it will be hundreds of years before we run out... but the cost will be too much for most in only a few decades.

And so you know, OPEC countries are producing oil at 100%. They can't make any more. Price reflects demand and world wide demand is rising. The only thing you can do is use less of it.

I'm sure Kerry Lyle meant well in sending this out, but he isn't a geologist he is a cardiology researcher, and as such has probably never heard of this. The only way to decrease gas prices is to dramatically decrease demand. Switching your gas station won't do anything but make the other companies more money.

Ten years from now you'll be begging for gas to be $3.00 a gallon. Enjoy it while you can, but please plan for the future. The only way to decrease gas prices is to dramatically decrease demand.

-Jeremy Campbell (www.myspace.com/jermismo)

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

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Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a
gallon by the summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to
come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.



Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE
than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around
last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they
knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work.



Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking
gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently
$2.28 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and
the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost! of a gallon
of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to
teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace....not sellers. With the
price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take
action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is
if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we
can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our
cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
prices if we all act together to force a price war.



Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline
from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If
they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their
prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to
follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions
of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't
whimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple
it is to reach millions of people!!



I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it
to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at
least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message
reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE
MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and ! pass this on
to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If
it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION
PEOPLE!!!



Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If
you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do
is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
mathematician. But I am ... so trust me on this one.)



How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't
think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we
can make a difference.



If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
THIS CAN REALLY WORK. Kerry Lyle, Director, Research Coordinator



Interventional Cardiology Research Laboratories Division of
Cardiovascular Diseases
932 Ziegler Research Bldg
703 South 19th Street University of Alabama @ B'ham

Birmingham, Al 35294-0007 Phone: (205) 934-6163 Fax: (205) 934-7360
 

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You do realize that there are only a few companies that produce gasoline, right? The other companies purchase their supply from the major manufacturers, and then sell it to us. Doesn't matter what you do, boycotting one chain will NOT make the prices go down. Now, if everyone who could started riding bicycles or walking to work, THAT would have an impact. Of course, since Americans can't go anywhere without a car, it's simply not going to happen.

Gas prices won't go down until Americans lose their love for their cars (and friggin' huge suv's).
 

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yeah realisticly it doesn't work like that.

The company that you don't buy form would raise its price to make up for lost profits, in turn letting all the other companies raise their price. So then you're paying more than before.
 

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HNE said:
You guys are so lucky I don't close threads for posting stupid shit. You guys know that you can't do anything about the damn gas prices.
Sure you can. Demand of your government the nationalization of the entire petroleum industry.

Is that a realistic goal? Well, no...

But neither is boycotting Exxon and Mobil. Refiners price gasoline on not only what it cost to process oil but also on the price of the oil they're GOING to buy, not the price of oil they just processed. If Exxon had a month's supply of raw crude, they's still charge based on new oil prices because that's what they're going to have to pay when they've processed their supply.

Ultimately, you're going to have to do something about Middle East suppliers and the new industrial powerhouses of India and China. Nuke them now?
 

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bahearn said:
Sure you can. Demand of your government the nationalization of the entire petroleum industry.

Is that a realistic goal? Well, no...

But neither is boycotting Exxon and Mobil. Refiners price gasoline on not only what it cost to process oil but also on the price of the oil they're GOING to buy, not the price of oil they just processed. If Exxon had a month's supply of raw crude, they's still charge based on new oil prices because that's what they're going to have to pay when they've processed their supply.

Ultimately, you're going to have to do something about Middle East suppliers and the new industrial powerhouses of India and China. Nuke them now?

Thats why OPEC is really just a Cartel, no better than the ones in Columbia.

Drill ANWR would be a good start
 
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