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Since this comes up so often I am gonna list all of the B14 coilover set-ups I have found. I would like all of the experts on the board to voice their opinions of these set-ups. Pro, Cons, and in some cases will they even fit(N15 parts). I will be adding to this list as I find more. Ill Give all of the specs I know. Feel free to add anything I have left out(e-mail me). I'll try to give all the info I can about each one. If you can add some info, email me and ill put it in. I am gonna try not to list the junk stuff out there. TIA

Advance Design(B14)
Shortened damper design
Dual external damper adjust
Choice of rates in 25lbs increments
Rebuildable, revalveable
est. price: $1840(?) Without springs($55 ea.)
http://www.advance-design.com/
http://www.ground-control.com/

Ground Control(B14)
Coilover sleave kit
Coice of rate in 25lbs increments
Uses seperate dampers(AGX,ect.)
est. price: $400
http://www.ground-control.com/

Tein SS(B14)
Shortened damper design
Single external adj, rebound and comp combined 16 positions
Comes with rates of 336f and 280r
Other rates availible
est. price $1200
http://www.tein.com/ssdamp.html

Tein Basic Damper(B14)
Shortened damper design
No damper adj.
same rates as SS
est. price $750.00
http://www.tein.com/badamp.html

Tein HA(N15)
Shortened damper design
Single external adj, rebound and comp combined 16 positions
Comes with rates 448f and 280r(Note N15 hatch-back kit)
Other rates availible
est. price $1200
http://www.tein.co.jp/hadampe.html

Drummon Motor Sports(DMS) 50mm Giant(N15)
Dual external adjust
est. price $2800
http://www.dmshocks.com/docs/dms50.html

DMS 40mm(N15)
Dual external adjust(?)
est. price $1800
http://www.dmshocks.com/docs/dms40.html

Motivational Engineering(B14)
Shortened damper design
Various options for damper adjust
Rates in 25lbs increments
est. price $1440
http://www.motivational.net/

Whiteline(N15)
No info availible from me
est. Price (au)$3,390
http://www.whiteline.com.au/

Jic Magic SF-1(B14)
Rates 336f and 224r, others may be availible(?)
est. price $1450
http://www.jic-magic.com/suspension/sf1.asp

B&G S3(B14)
No info from me
est. price $1800
http://www.b-gsuspension.com/s3.html

True Choice(B14)
From mild to wild
Single adj to dual adj.
Shortened bodies availible
http://www.truechoice.com

Shock Tec
No info from me
NLA(?)

Scott Higashi SHigSpeed (B14)
Shortened Damper design
Choice of rates in 25lbs increments
Front dual external adjust, rear single(rebound only)
Koni dampers
est. price $1900
[email protected]
pics - http://dashzerosystems.com/se-r/suspension-install.html


Thats all I can think of for now. More to come if i find/remember any. If there is a set that is not on here its either junk, or I havent got to it yet.


"Who says the B14 has no suspension aftermarket?"

Thanks to:
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CarbonBlack200
morepower2
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Ground Controls

I've got a set of Ground Controls (300 lb. front, 200 lb. rear) on my car with AGX's all around, and Motivational Engineering rear upper shock mounts. I've been very happy with the results, however I've got it lowered a little bit too much right now, so the ride is pretty harsh. I've noticed some problems with the rebound being too fast with how I've got it tuned right now. Can make for some wheel hop over bumps. Also, I didn't do the install with the duct tape and silicone, so the setup is kinda loud. Clunks and squeeks on bumps, but that's it.

On the track, this is a great setup. Very minimal body roll, and the car goes right where I point it. I get a little bit of skip in flat corners and those with uneven pavement, but on camber turns, the car STICKS even though I'm on street tires.
 

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PatScottAKA99XE said:
...in some cases will they even fit(N15 parts)
For the last time, Nismo lists the B14 and N15 coilovers on the same line. Same part number. By default they will fit.
 

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Re: Re: All the B14 coilovers I can find. EXPERT opinions wanted.(Long)

Geo said:
For the last time, Nismo lists the B14 and N15 coilovers on the same line. Same part number. By default they will fit.
I know, I am the one who scanned and sent pages from the 2002 NISMO cat. The reason I said that is spring rate differences and such. Not the actual bolting up. Would you really wana have rates for a hatch back in your sedan?
 

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The motivatonal rear upper mount and the GC camber caster plates only work with 2.5 in coilovers, right? What diameter are the JIC and Tein proprietary springs? Do they have upper mounts that give more travel? Or just shortened bodies?
 

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Im not sure about the Jic, but the Teins have 50mm springs on one end and 60mm springs on the other according to their site. Tein does have pillow ball mounts, but they do not list them for the B14 SS aplication. They do however list them for the N15 HA app( ;) ). The front pillow ball mounts have camber adj capibilty as well.
 

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Very good post. I have the GC's and was thinking about the Tien's, because of the pillow ball mounts and the adjustable Camber. Would this be a smart move?
 

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JT200SX-N-FX said:
Very good post. I have the GC's and was thinking about the Tien's, because of the pillow ball mounts and the adjustable Camber. Would this be a smart move?
I should have the Tein SS in about a month. I am just waiting while they are being shipped from Japan. Ill let you know how they work out.
 

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JT200SX-N-FX said:
Very good post. I have the GC's and was thinking about the Tien's, because of the pillow ball mounts and the adjustable Camber. Would this be a smart move?
GC's have externaly independantly adjustable compression and rebound damping and adjustable camber and caster. They are also 2" shorter than stock so you have plenty of wheel travel.

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GC's have externaly independantly adjustable compression and rebound damping and adjustable camber and caster. They are also 2" shorter than stock so you have plenty of wheel travel.

Mike
GC's are a sleeve type coilover. They aren't a full coilover - ie: you have to get shocks and struts separately. GC's have adjustable height control, but the dampening settings depend on what kind of shock you have. The camber and caster are only adjustable if you get camber plates.
 

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Mike was referring to the Ground Control made Advanced Design Struts not the coilover sleeves that they sell. World of difference of course.
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JIC Magic

I'm thinking about doing the JIC's...Pillow ball mount. revalveable and for 50 bucks extra you can specify whatever spring rate you want.

Anyone know how much the pillow ball mount addition costs for the Tein's?

I didn't realize N15 will fit B14...is this really so? if so why would you get the ss's over the ha's? on Tein can you specify what spring rate you want?
 

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Re: JIC Magic

squeezinSE said:
I'm thinking about doing the JIC's...Pillow ball mount. revalveable and for 50 bucks extra you can specify whatever spring rate you want.

Anyone know how much the pillow ball mount addition costs for the Tein's?

I didn't realize N15 will fit B14...is this really so? if so why would you get the ss's over the ha's? on Tein can you specify what spring rate you want?
Yes you can get the rates you want, but will the dampers be valved right is the question. The dampers have a range of springs that they will work with. Since the rates are way outta wack for a sedan you may need different valveing to get them to work right with springs more suited to a sedan. I thought about going this route, but ended up going with the SS.
 

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JT200SX-N-FX said:
When are you expecting the setup to arrive dogg!
Bout 3 weeks i guess. They have to come across the big "pond"
 

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PatScottAKA99XE said:
Yes you can get the rates you want, but will the dampers be valved right is the question. The dampers have a range of springs that they will work with. Since the rates are way outta wack for a sedan you may need different valveing to get them to work right with springs more suited to a sedan. I thought about going this route, but ended up going with the SS.
That's my primary concern with either the Teins or the JIC's. They are designed (this is a B15 in my case, but the rates are pretty much the same) for lower rear rates... but I would want them to be even at least. This adds some ~30-40lbs/in. to the dampers' responsibility. I'm curious as to whether the valving can handle those rates out back, kinda like how AGX's act when you throw 350+ rates at them!:eek:

Also, someone needs to give me some good info on Pillowball mounts as far as fitment to the B15. I know that Scott Higashi had said something about special tophats and torrington bearings... sounded like the pillowball mounts were not gonna work. JIC is the only company offering them for the B15 at this point. How difficult would it be to modify a B14 design to work, or is it possible? TIA.
 

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IIRC the Teins can take about a 100in/lbs change in spring rate. For B15 pillowball mounts I would try to just wait a little longer. It still is a relatively new platform and with the introduction of the SE-R I think more companies will get in gear with mods.
 
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