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2023 Rogue Gas Leak/Gas Fumes/Engineering Review/Recall

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2023 Rogue-Same gas smell inside cabin and outside of car as others here have reported. Took the Rogue to the local Nissan dealership yesterday, and they said Nissan is aware of the issue and that the Rogue is under Engineering Review. Nissan dealership said they checked for gas leaks to make sure there was no safety problem, but that there was nothing else to do until Nissan issues a recall or figures out a fix for wherever the gas is leaking. Dealership said I had to be able to visually see leak and not just smell gasoline for them to do more. Also, I stay in the mid 20s for gas mileage even though I drive on Eco. Contacted national Nissan # and supposedly someone should be contacting me, but I see others have had no luck resolving this issue either. Unsure of what next steps should be
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I can't tell y'all what the fix will be, but I can confirm that Engineering is up to their ears with it. I did a quick search in the TechLine database and there were dozens of cases all marked "Engineering Review". Please understand that we can't fix what we don't have a fix for, so Engineering does need to identify the problem and specify a repair before your dealerships can do anything. Please also understand that gasoline needs a specific 13:1~14:1 mixture in air in order to ignite, and that doesn't happen in free air. So while it may smell foul, you can quit worrying about your car lighting up, that simply won't happen.
I'm not worried about the car lighting up but I am worried about how nauseous I get if I don't have recirculate on and the fuel smell that enters my house when I open up the door to get into the garage. Gas fumes are a health risk so it's definitely a safety issue.
Agreed. Like I said, Engineering is up to their ears in it, but there's nothing we can do until they get to the cause and give us a fix. Engineering is largely Japan-based and sometimes that's like trying to pour paper through a filter, but from what I saw in TechLine's dbase, you can be very sure the problem is getting a high priority.
does the problem of gas smelling affect only the new rogue with 1.5 L T or there are some cases with the 2.5 L
I don't know of any with the PR25. The TechLine dbase was littered with '22~'23 KR15 cases (largely flagged "engineering review"), but the same search terms came up with nothing for the '21 model.
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looks a bit like the issue with the CRV when honda introduced the turbo 1.5 L with 2017 version, that was first Turbo in CRV and lots of people reported fuel leaks mixing with engine oil compartment which led to gas smell via the AC vent...did you check your dip stick whether there is no excessive oil ?
There's technician "tip sheet" out which basically acknowledges that Nissan doesn't have an answer yet but instructs dealerships to document instances. No bulletin yet, so we techs still don't have a fix. They don't have us checking the sticks, so I'm pretty sure they don't think it's a dilution issue.
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Actually I am not owning this car , I very like the look of the new rogue and want to buy one this quarter however with the issue of gas smell I will pick the 2.5 version which is available in canada in case this engine is not reported to have this issue
Like I said, I haven't seen any and neither has Nissan TechLine. The 2.5 seems to be free of this problem.
Will techs/dealers perform a dilution test if requested? Out of pocket or otherwise?
Labs don't work for free last time I looked, and if Engineering doesn't suspect a dilution issue (neither do I), then I'm sure it's your nickel.
Thinking that if it comes time to lawyer up they will want to do their own testing on top of the independent lab test I am having done. Would be nice to have that done in advance.
I'm a tech, not an ambulance chaser. You're on your own about that.
I am curious how the Nissan Engineers are looking into this when they refuse to look at any of these cars? If they do not have an example on hand, how are they going to figure out the issue?
The TechLine dbase is littered with cases and I'm sure some of them were collected for evaluation, probably months ago. So is it safe to assume they have examples? Yes. Is it safe to assume any of them would be here in the forum to tell us about it? In the words of a good friend, "Not bloody likely."
I can't say anything more at this time, but I can disclose that Engineering has found the source of the problem and there are parts being manufactured as we speak. They'll be issuing a service bulletin as soon as the parts chain catches up. I'm told the problem is a materials issue in the PCV system related to winter fuel (porous rubber would be my educated guess), and that the problem is almost totally limited to areas with temperatures below freezing. The fix is on the way.
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thanks for the update .... "the problem is almost totally limited to areas with temperatures below freezing" it seems there are some buyers living in hot region too, if I recall correctly the previous posts
Might be winter fuel mixtures all the time in other countries, and if it's a porosity issue as I suspect, it could probably happen any time of year in places where the ethanol content is high year round. Here in the central US, I'm told there are almost no cases on record south of Kansas. That jives with what I've seen personally, I don't know of any complaints at our dealership here in Arkansas.
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My girlfriends 2022 Rogue regularly smells like gasoline after sitting in the garage. We're in the Tucson area (it occasionally dips below freezing, but this is definitely not a cold climate).
Dunno what your fuel situation is out there. If AZ mandates a winter mix even though Phoenix and Tucson aren't Flagstaff, then I'd imagine it could happen under any circumstances. If it's a porosity issue as I suspect, the high ethanol mix and winter additives would be the driving factors, cold would probably just exacerbate it. I presume we'll all find out when the bulletin issues.
My 23 rogue smells like gas on the inside and outside. Today I’m taking my rogue into a dealership 2 get two new hoses with different coating. Did t say where they we’re putting g them but it takes 45 minutes for the install. Dealership states others had the same thing done on their 23 rogues and can no longer smell gas. Will report back later!
If it works, get the part numbers for the replaced parts and I can cross index them to find out exactly what they're doing. Sounds like PCV hoses given what else I know, but that could confirm it.
There was no bulletin showing in ASIST yet as of yesterday.
Still no bulletin, but I understand the fix info is being disseminated to northern dealerships where the bulk of the problem appears. If you're south and having problems and your dealership isn't aware of the issue, tell them to contact their DTS or TSM. The field technical people everyplace are aware of it.
They haven’t given my receipt yet because they have to replace my steering wheel. Once get the receipt I’ll supply the part numbers
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I just got done with my appointment. The hose they replaced was a PCV hose according to the write up
That makes more sense than a high-pressure line, but I'm still curious exactly which hose.
I'm no firefighter, but I do believe gasoline fumes are flammable.
You'll have more luck igniting your living room furniture. Gasoline needs a specific stoichiometric ratio of 14.7:1 to ignite and somewhat richer than that to sustain a burn, and at 14.7:1 you wouldn't be sniffing, you'd be choking and dying. The human nose can typically detect the smell at concentrations around 10 parts per million, and it typically takes only 200 ppm to cause eye irritation. Those levels are so far below the ignition point that it isn't even a twinkle in a match's eye. However, one of the other posters here made a very valid point about health effects. If you want to hammer on Nissan about something, you'll have better luck with that. There's zero danger of fire from fumes caused by a permeability problem, it's simply far too lean to ignite.
The AR32AA is a warranty op code. It's odd that there isn't also a part number, there should be if warranty parts were billed out. If it's there, it would be 10 alphanumerics in the format xxxxx-xxxxx. For a hose, the first digit would probably be a 1, for the PCV itself it would probably be 11810-xxxxx.
I'm told by people upstairs that the only problem right now is getting the parts made and into the supply chain. There will be a bulletin as soon as the parts are there. Still no bulletin issued as of this morning, I just looked.
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If those parts are defective are they gambling that the one I got today is good or will it start again around 1700 more miles?
My understanding is that it's strictly a materials issue, the whole delay is about manufacturing a supply of new hoses with different material. Right now the supply still isn't there, and I'm told what exists is going mostly to colder geographic areas where the problem is most prevalent.
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