ive got two friends with vw golf gtis. one has an 89 16 valve, and the other has an 86 8 valve. i finally got around to racing both of them tonight, and i got em real good. the 16 valve i pulled out in 2nd and had about 1 and a half cars on halfway through third, when i shut it down, the 8 valve i walked. i drive a 93 se-r. timing at 17, ghetto ebay strut bar.