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post #1 of 10 Old Jul 28th, 2017, 04:01 PM Thread Starter
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Passenger airbag light

I own a 2017 Frontier. The airbag light near the glove compartment keeps coming on when my wife is in the passenger seat. She is 5'6" tall and weighs 115-120 lbs. Sometimes she can get the light to go off if she shifts around in the seat, but the light frequently comes back on. I took the truck to a Nissan dealer. They put a man weighing 50 lbs more than my wife in the passenger seat. The light stayed off, and they said that proved that the system was working properly. They told me that when the light was on, the airbag would not deploy. I called Nissan. They said, as long as the light stayed off with the man in the seat, they could offer no help.

Does anyone else with wives, children or grandchildren in the 110-115 lb range have this problem? The airbag light in question can be very hard to see during the daytime. Many times you have to shade the light to see that it is on. The airbag light between the tach and speedometer does not come on-only the light near the glove compartment. Nissan is aware of the problem, but there haven't been enough complaints for them to care. Maybe it will take severe injury to wives, children or grandchildren for Nissan to take notice.

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post #2 of 10 Old Jul 28th, 2017, 04:58 PM
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Children and small adults can be inured or killed due to an inflating air bag, which is why the passenger front bag is turned off if the proper weight is not sensed by the occupational seat sensor built into the bottom seat cushion. The system is described in your owner's manual on page 1-70...more specifically regarding your concern on page 1-80.
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Possibly you did not read the entire thread. My wife is 5'6" tall and weighs 115-120 lbs. She is not a child or small adult. Her weight is within the normal range for female adults who are 5'6". There is no excuse for her not to be protected. I encourage anyone who has a similar complaint to contact me.
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You can address your concern to Nissan's customer hotline @ 1-800-NISSAN-1 and request a service rep come to the dealership and verify the system is working properly; they may or may not send a rep, but it costs nothing and doesn't hurt to ask. You can also post your concern on Nissan's Facebook site, where they do interact with their posters.

I know on earlier Nissan models with the same system, there used to be a "weight test" to check the air bag occupational weight sensor which provided specific weights to place on the seat to check the system. I looked in my 2008 Pathfinder factory service manual (which has a similar system), but couldn't find any listing for specific weights. FYI, this is from the FSM describing the system:

OCCUPANT CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM (OCS):

The occupant classification system (OCS) identifies different size occupants, out of position occupants, and detects if child seat is present in the front passenger seat. The OCS receives inputs from the occupational classification sensor (located on the passenger seat cushion assembly) and belt tension sensor (part of the passenger front seat belt assembly and located at the belt anchor location). Depending on classification of the passenger, the OCS sends a signal to the air bag diagnostic sensor unit. The air bag diagnostic sensor unit uses the signal and the seat belt buckle switch RH signal to determine deployment or non-deployment of the passenger front air bag in the event of a collision. Depending on the signals received, the air bag diagnostic sensor unit can disable the passenger front air bag completely. Note: In case of a customer concern, CONSULT-II can be used to confirm the passenger air bag statues (readiness).
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post #5 of 10 Old Aug 2nd, 2017, 08:29 AM Thread Starter
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As a follow up to my 28 July post, I called Nissan Consumer Affairs to get a weight threshold for the front passenger airbag system. I was told that there is no specific threshold. Instead, the airbag deployment system measures the length, width, and height of the passenger. The representative could not give me any specific dimensions for any of these parameters.

MY further research showed that the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, NHTSA, required a recall of over 3 million 2013-2017 Nissan Maximas, Altimas, Leafs, Pathfinders, Rogues, Muranos, and other Nissan and Infinity vehicles in the US. Nissan Campaign Number 16V244000 states "the front seat passenger Occupant Classification System (OCS) may incorrectly classify an adult passenger as a child or classify the seat as empty despite it being occupied. As a result, the passenger frontal air bag may be turned off and not deploy in the event of a crash." They go on to say, "If the frontal air bag does not deploy as intended in the event of a crash, the passenger is at an increased risk of injury."

The Frontier needs to be added to this recall. Nissan needs to admit that there is a significant safety risk due to their OCS parameters. How many deaths or serious injuries are needed before Nissan decides to put their customers safety at the forefront? This problem must be corrected.
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post #6 of 10 Old Aug 2nd, 2017, 09:26 AM
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Butch,

From reading your post's it seem's to me that you are Too Stressed Out about If or What If the Air Bag Doesn't Deploy.

From my point of View,, I wish All my Air Bag's were Disabled, and am looking for a way to disable them in my 2013. Have you read about exploding air bag's and people getting severely injured by Air Bag's? Granted people have been saved and helped with air bag's also. But I believe Useing the Seat Belt, Following at a safe distance, and Driveing Defensively is a much better way to prevent injurie's of the occupant's in a Vehicle.

Just my opinion, but I think that all this extra electronic's to prevent injurie's is circumventing the need for Driver's to Drive Defensively and in a Safe Manner with all their Attention on Driveing Rather than being Distracted by Talking on the Phone, Interacting with Passenger's, Looking at Air Bag Warning Light's Rather than Looking down the Road, Looking at Road Side Scenery, Driveing Too Close Behind the Car Ahead, Driveing Faster than the Posted Speed Limit's, Driveing Too Fast for Wet/Slippery Road's, Etc, Etc, Etc.

In other word's I understand Your Concern with your Air Bag's,, but on the other hand, some people have been injured by them,, and some of us,, Includeing Me,, don't want them at all, and wish that Nissan would Disable All of them in my Truck.

I understand Your Concern for Your Wife's Safety,, but I think that you would be better served by useing the Seat Belt and Driveing Safely and Defensively.

Just My Opinion,, and I do understand your concern for Wife's Safety while in the Passenger Seat.

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I received the airbag light recall on my Altima. When i went to have the dealer perform the procedure to "correct" the "problem", that's when I found out what they were going to do to "fix" it. Nissan, in the best wisdom, decided that the passenger airbag light would now be staying on the whole time, unless the parameters were met to have the light go out, therefore enabling the airbag to deploy if necessary. I had the guy read that back to me again to make sure that I heard that correctly. I did. What a crock. So their "correction of the problem" was to have a yellow light on all the time. 99.9% of the time I use my car, I'm alone, and the rest of the time the passenger is in the back seat. I do not want a caution light on all the time. The check engine light is yellow, the abs light is yellow, for a reason, to let you know there is a problem that needs attention. Now they add an airbag light into the mix. Personally, I think that is a mistake, but that's my opinion and we know how much that is really worth. I DID NOT have the dealer do the recall. I do not want to be distracted by a caution light on all the time. I was told that the 2017 models were going to have the light on all the time as well, if no one or thing was in the passenger seat meeting the criteria, whatever that REALLY is, to have the light out. Nissan, you get an F for this "fix". I did not trade my car in for a newer one for this reason. I will keep my 2014. I like the car as it is. Anyway...

As far as driving defensive goes, yeah that is great and everyone should do it. However, you cannot predict what will happen, BRubble, and all your scenarios left out one important thing: A head on collision, which is what the airbag system was originally designed for. Sure you can follow further back and pay more attention. Any sane person would. But someone coming at you head on with nowhere to go, is out of your control. Unless you decide to not use public roadways at all, you are going to have to access the risk at a personal level and then decide what to do. I do this everyday, as I ride motorcycles daily. And I have been run over by women on the phone. Not fun. That's a different subject entirely though, and will not go into what I think should happen to people who run over bikers. Anyway...Airbags have nothing to do with making people less attentive on the road, giving them a crutch if you will. BUT, ABS, traction control, proximity sensors, and the like, do. Those are idiot control devices as they are all used before an impact. Airbags are there to lesson the force of an impact, after the collision occurs. I totally understand where butchm is coming from. He is being responsible for his wife's well being, as any real husband would. As far as airbags causing more harm than help, well, there are people that claim the same thing about seat belts. I'm not driving without a seat belt on. The end. BTW, if you decide to disable your airbags, a govt mandated safety feature, and someone in your vehicle gets injured and the airbag COULD have prevented that, your lawyer better be really good. That injured person will own you. And everything you have, and then some. Just something for you to think about. Be safe out there folks.

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You seem to have done your homework, so you probably already know that Nissan did not change the passenger airbag light so that it is always on for the 2017 Frontier. In the Frontier, it is a very difficult light for a driver to see during the daytime. Even most passengers don't notice when the light is on. According to the manual, the light is supposed to be off if there is no one in the passenger seat or if there is some one in the passenger seat who meets Nissan's weight threshold-whatever that is. But again, the light should not be on when there is no one in the passenger seat. According to the representative at Nissan Consumer Affairs, if the light is on, the airbag will not deploy.

This is serious stuff, and you may be liable if you have not complied with Nissan's recall and a passenger is injured because an airbag did not deploy in your vehicle. If you have complied with their recall, and a passenger is injured because an airbag did not deploy, it is Nissan's problem.
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You seem to have done your homework, so you probably already know that Nissan did not change the passenger airbag light so that it is always on for the 2017 Frontier. In the Frontier, it is a very difficult light for a driver to see during the daytime. Even most passengers don't notice when the light is on. According to the manual, the light is supposed to be off if there is no one in the passenger seat or if there is some one in the passenger seat who meets Nissan's weight threshold-whatever that is. But again, the light should not be on when there is no one in the passenger seat. According to the representative at Nissan Consumer Affairs, if the light is on, the airbag will not deploy.

This is serious stuff, and you may be liable if you have not complied with Nissan's recall and a passenger is injured because an airbag did not deploy in your vehicle. If you have complied with their recall, and a passenger is injured because an airbag did not deploy, it is Nissan's problem.
I have been back to the dealership 6 times to try to get them to make my airbag system function properly. I am 5'6, weigh about 135 and if I get into the passenger seat immediately after the car is started (cold engine) the airbag light frequently stays on for several minutes or longer. I have videos showing us driving down the road with the air bag light on. When I take it to the dealership, they say that they can't do anything about it until it fails there! So frustrating!
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post #10 of 10 Old Aug 18th, 2017, 04:15 PM Thread Starter
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No solution to airbag problem

In reply to the last post, the dealers have no solution to airbag problem. Two of my dealers representatives have documented that the airbag system does not work properly with my wife in the front passenger seat. I took them for a ten minute drive-the representatives were in the back seat, and my wife was in the passenger seat. The light indicating that the airbag would not deploy was on for most of the test. I was told after the test that there was no fix. I was also told that if I valued my wife's safety, I should sell my (now used) truck at a loss and buy something else. I am still waiting for a reply from Nissan Consumer Affairs.
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