Im about to put my JDM TT engine into my 300 and before i do it i was wandering if i should go with a front mount intercooler, or a water injector kit to cool the turbos. will the water injector kit give me any HP. i know the front mount intercooler does give more power but creats turbo lag, and the injector kit uses a pipe that goes from the turbo straight to the intake manifold, damn near eliminating lag but not putting cold air in. ANY ADVICE WILL HELP THANK YOU
Im about to put my JDM TT engine into my 300 and before i do it i was wandering if i should go with a front mount intercooler, or a water injector kit to cool the turbos. will the water injector kit give me any HP. i know the front mount intercooler does give more power but creats turbo lag, and the injector kit uses a pipe that goes from the turbo straight to the intake manifold, damn near eliminating lag but not putting cold air in. ANY ADVICE WILL HELP THANK YOU
What are your plans for your Z, daily driver, road course, drag, or drifting? FMIC are a waste of money and performance. Water injection does not give you more hps, but gives you a cushion from engine detonation as well as the cleaning affect to the internals of the engine.
how can it be a waste of performance? all the big imports have intercoolers. yes they cost more but if you have stock intercoolers and you add a front mount, you will gain about 20 horses. will the water injector do anything for HP, i have a feeling that it will even decrease HP. can i do both safely, are they compatable together
how can it be a waste of performance? all the big imports have intercoolers. yes they cost more but if you have stock intercoolers and you add a front mount, you will gain about 20 horses. will the water injector do anything for HP, i have a feeling that it will even decrease HP. can i do both safely, are they compatable together
It's a waste of performance because it will hurt response. By adding a FMIC you are adding more IC pipe and creating less response (noticebale difference by others that have gone this route). If the FMIC is poorly designed it will as so affect cooling.
If you are going to compare other imports please give me a example of a Apple to Apple comparision of a 3.0 V6 TT engine that uses a FMIC? And not a Apple/Orange comparison of a inline 6 to a V6.
i know it will creat lag, but it will give a bigger punch on the highway and that is what i like. im actually not going to be adding intercooler piping because i dont have them at all, and if i put one then it is going to be a front mount. im going from N/A to TT all i got is the engine and ecu, not the full swap. the guy that is doing the swap puts a pipe from the turbo to the throtle body, no IC no BOV.
thanks for the info
i know it will creat lag, but it will give a bigger punch on the highway and that is what i like. im actually not going to be adding intercooler piping because i dont have them at all, and if i put one then it is going to be a front mount. im going from N/A to TT all i got is the engine and ecu, not the full swap. the guy that is doing the swap puts a pipe from the turbo to the throtle body, no IC no BOV.
thanks for the info
What do you mean bigger punch?
"the guy that is doing the swap puts a pipe from the turbo to the throtle body, no IC no BOV"
Can you say BOOM? That is the dumbest move I have seen on this board.
most, if not all, front mounts for Z32s will not be better than side mounts.
if inline-6 or 4-banger rice rockets have it, it doesn't mean it's good for every car. Z32s have dual throttle bodies, almost everyone else has one.
there's also cross flow associated with using side-mounts. if you look closely at the engine, the drivers side turbo feeds the passenger side engine bank and vice-versa. switching to a front mount elminates that cross flow and will cause problems when a turbo goes bad (one turbo will be working harder than the other).
listen to spongerider. he's had water injection for a few years now.
i think you need to do more research on the benefits of water injection and BOVs and intercoolers...
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the guy that is doing the swap owns a place called Z Clinic in austin TX and he has about 20 different Zs. instead of the engine sucking air from intercoolers it gets the air directly from the part of the turbo that pushes the air to the inter coolers. and on that pipe he runs the line for the water injector kit which goes to the throtle bodies. he doesnt put ICs or BOV on his engines , says you dont need them and he has lots of Zs like that , dont know why.
yes you get a bigger punch of power from colder air with the FMIC as apposed to the side mounts, but with more lag. i dont have a TT Z so i dont know how the side mounts will fit or where.
as for air flow, it doesnt matter if i use front mount or side mount for the cross flow effect because either way the engine will be drawing air in from where the IC pipe meets the throttle body. as long as i keep the piping length identical for both sides
You need to learn how the Z32TT works, really. Do you know how much pressure drop you get with a FMIC vs. SMIC? How about temp temp? If you do please share.
As for your Z with out a IC I have never seen or heard of such a thing. You either miss understood your mechanic or he is giving you a line. The VG30dett would be very inefficient and very unreliable.
" i dont have a TT Z so i dont know how the side mounts will fit or where."??
i have a 93 N/A 300ZX. i also have the engine, wiring harness, tranny, and ecu from a TT 300ZX. i dont have all the parts now do i genius. if im going put an inercooler then its going to be a total custom front mount. no side mounts here ok, that means no stock piping. FMIC Kits come with pipes to hook up to stock pipe. ONCE AGAIN, I DONT HAVE AN ORIGINAL TT 300ZX SO I DONT KNOW HOW OR EXACTLY WHERE THE CRAP STOCK SIDE MOUNTS SIT. the point of the front mount is to get cold air into the engine and the lower air temp means better combustion (more hp) and less chance of detonation.
i have a 93 N/A 300ZX. i also have the engine, wiring harness, tranny, and ecu from a TT 300ZX. i dont have all the parts now do i genius. if im going put an inercooler then its going to be a total custom front mount. no side mounts here ok, that means no stock piping. FMIC Kits come with pipes to hook up to stock pipe. ONCE AGAIN, I DONT HAVE AN ORIGINAL TT 300ZX SO I DONT KNOW HOW OR EXACTLY WHERE THE CRAP STOCK SIDE MOUNTS SIT. the point of the front mount is to get cold air into the engine and the lower air temp means better combustion (more hp) and less chance of detonation.
No need to be rude.
The stock TT IC's are on both corners of the front bumper. If you notice that a TT's front bumper has 3 slits in the corners for air flow. The ONLY thing a FMIC is good for is high boost engines whick I'm possitive you will not have for a long while. So, if you do go with a FMIC you'll get really annoyed after a while with the excessive lag. Now Stillen, for one, makes an oversized replacement for the stock units that helps perfectly. So I'd recommend goin' with that before you spend alot of money on something you'll regret in the long run.
''FMIC is good for is high boost engines whick I'm possitive you will not have for a long while''
im not going to put the motor into my car until i get after market turbos with high boost (Z1 Motorsports T525 turbos). thats the whole point of this conversation FMIC or Water Injection kit. plus the stock turbos can run 18lbs after a few small mods so i dont know about you (outkast) but its going to have high boost. my car isnt going to experience stock boost levels
the point of the front mount is to get cold air into the engine and the lower air temp means better combustion (more hp) and less chance of detonation.
but you're moving the hot air into the oil cooler (if you have one) and the radiator.
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SS brakelines, Eibach lowering springs, KYB adjustable shocks
HKS turbo timer, Greddy boost controller, Apex'i SAFC-II
JSPEC Front Bumper, Kazera KZ-A Michelin Pilot Sport
Philips HIDs 4300K
''FMIC is good for is high boost engines whick I'm possitive you will not have for a long while''
im not going to put the motor into my car until i get after market turbos with high boost (Z1 Motorsports T525 turbos). thats the whole point of this conversation FMIC or Water Injection kit. plus the stock turbos can run 18lbs after a few small mods so i dont know about you (outkast) but its going to have high boost. my car isnt going to experience stock boost levels
Ok, I have those Turbos, not bad at all, but an FMIS might be a little overkill, if you look at the numbers, I think Z1 did a test with an Apollo FMIC vs. the Z1 SMICs (Which I have) and the numbers were almost equal. You are only going to be running around 18-21 psi with those turbos anyhow. Now also look at the cost of going to FMIC, your intake changes, your radiator will need upgrading at the least and lets not forget the 1000 plus for the FMIC.... 900-1000 for a direct drop in SMIC suits me fine and I run it on the Autobahn...
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