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Old Jan 20th, 2005, 08:58 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Theres a silencer box where the red piping is now, and where the FIPK is was where the filter box used to reside. Both are pretty restrictive for inlet to a turbo spooling pretty much double factory boost...... I've heard stories of unmodified turbo inlet pipes collapsing due to the increased airflow and massive restrictions. Trust me, it's much better this way.....
ahh i see. i just didnt know what was there to begine with (i really should learn more about these cars ) but it all makes sence, wow, for na cars all we have to worry about is our intake bottle necking our flow but like you said if you really get on it and its stoped up or just no enuff air flow the intake will create a vacum..........that cant be good.
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Old Jan 20th, 2005, 09:06 AM   #17 (permalink)
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If you look in the gallery, my car has a somewhat similar setup, except I'm using 3" exhaust pipe and a ricer air filter that cost me $24. Total cost was about $30 for my setup. I hate wasting money on bling........ ( No offense to SKD, of course... )
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Old Jan 20th, 2005, 03:03 PM   #18 (permalink)
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If you look in the gallery, my car has a somewhat similar setup, except I'm using 3" exhaust pipe and a ricer air filter that cost me $24. Total cost was about $30 for my setup. I hate wasting money on bling........ ( No offense to SKD, of course... )
None taken... I had my neighbor change out my fan belt today. (he offered and I was at school and didn't have time) so that's one less thing to squeak lol.
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Old Jan 20th, 2005, 03:51 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Theres a silencer box where the red piping is now, and where the FIPK is was where the filter box used to reside. Both are pretty restrictive for inlet to a turbo spooling pretty much double factory boost...... I've heard stories of unmodified turbo inlet pipes collapsing due to the increased airflow and massive restrictions. Trust me, it's much better this way.....
You've obviously never actually taken a look at the stock silencer box. It's a restrictiveless tube with a box surrounding it and two small holes allowing air to pass from the pipe into the box. There is no restriction whatsoever from the silencer. The actual intake box is quite good flowing. But the problem comes from where it gathers air and how it funnels it from the engine bay. Simply remove the restrictive funnel and it's quite free flowing. The air filter surface area is actually larger than many cone air filters in use.
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Old Jan 20th, 2005, 09:31 PM   #20 (permalink)
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You've obviously never actually taken a look at the stock silencer box. It's a restrictiveless tube with a box surrounding it and two small holes allowing air to pass from the pipe into the box. There is no restriction whatsoever from the silencer. The actual intake box is quite good flowing. But the problem comes from where it gathers air and how it funnels it from the engine bay. Simply remove the restrictive funnel and it's quite free flowing. The air filter surface area is actually larger than many cone air filters in use.
i was looking at my intake (yes zbum i actaully spent time on this bout 20-30 minutes) neways i was looking at where it gathers air and i was unable to see where it actaully draws the air in, i saw where it goes over by the right headlgiht but that was as much as i could see (i didn't look underneath, was unsure if i would see nething different), but wheres the funnel at?
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Old Jan 20th, 2005, 09:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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There is a metal grate behind the passenger light where it draws in
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Old Jan 20th, 2005, 09:42 PM   #22 (permalink)
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There is a metal grate behind the passenger light where it draws in
does it look like a metal shield from the top?

edit: nvm don't answer that

edit: so if that part is removed it will help the airflow?
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Old Jan 21st, 2005, 07:49 AM   #23 (permalink)
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You've obviously never actually taken a look at the stock silencer box. It's a restrictiveless tube with a box surrounding it and two small holes allowing air to pass from the pipe into the box. There is no restriction whatsoever from the silencer. The actual intake box is quite good flowing. But the problem comes from where it gathers air and how it funnels it from the engine bay. Simply remove the restrictive funnel and it's quite free flowing. The air filter surface area is actually larger than many cone air filters in use.
The shape of the box is designed to silence the sound of the turbo, which is why it's called a silencer....... By it's very nature it's designed to impede airflow and sound. Pretty much all turbo cars have silencer units, and they are all basically the same design internally, yet for some reason most people remove them and most articles describe them as being restrictive. Now, most magazine articles are probably suspect in this regard, but I see no harm in freeing up a bit of extra cfm capability. Whether you wish to admit it or not, doubling and then some the stock turbo boost level changes airflow characteristics in that box, it may not have been restrictive before at stock boost levels, but it becomes restrictive due to faster airflow and the formation of eddy and swirl currents within the box........
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Old Jan 21st, 2005, 11:05 AM   #24 (permalink)
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good to know, now if only i had a turbo.
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Old Jan 21st, 2005, 12:24 PM   #25 (permalink)
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The intake draws air from the engine bay. You would think that after Nissan made a good decision by seperating the intake from the engine bay they wouldn't draw air from the engine bay...
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Old Jan 21st, 2005, 12:33 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The intake draws air from the engine bay. You would think that after Nissan made a good decision by seperating the intake from the engine bay they wouldn't draw air from the engine bay...
is it possible to make a funnel type device to place behind the passenger headlight to get fresher air?, like take out the metal bend piece that houses the current device and jsut redirect it?
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http://www.thumper300zx.com/

I've seen this...





And another thing though more radical
http://members.tripod.com/beatmyz/hoodholes.htm
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http://www.thumper300zx.com/

I've seen this...





And another thing though more radical
http://members.tripod.com/beatmyz/hoodholes.htm
the thumper site i've been to, but i don't like how he did his fresh air intake, i want to do something similar but jsut less noticible, like putting a big intake opening facing the front of the car behind the passenger headlight, and thats also where i first saw the fan thing, but modification of the body like those hood holes are out of the question for my application

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I like that one, looks almost stock.....

The one I was going to do to my car, still might when I get time, basically involves removal of the driver side fog/driving light from the headlight housing, removing part of the housing behind it, and installing the airfilter right there just ahead of the MAF. My only concerns were direct MAF contact with any rain or snow that might get in. The filter would probably disperse most of it, but I dunno if I wanted to take that chance......
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I like that one, looks almost stock.....

The one I was going to do to my car, still might when I get time, basically involves removal of the driver side fog/driving light from the headlight housing, removing part of the housing behind it, and installing the airfilter right there just ahead of the MAF. My only concerns were direct MAF contact with any rain or snow that might get in. The filter would probably disperse most of it, but I dunno if I wanted to take that chance......
yeah i wanna do something like that jsut with the passenger side, but because i have the one piece head lights i need to have the tubing behind the light housing (i wish i could incorparate it in)
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