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Old Oct 20th, 2007, 04:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Altima Timing Chain Noise Fix

Okee dokee, here is the simple version of fixing the notorious Altima timing chain noise (rattle)

Having worked on a couple of KADE's with this issue (truck motors primarily) I recently worked on a new-to-a-friend-of-mine 93 Altima with 146K miles that had this issue.

The first thing that comes to mind is the timing chain guides. The lower timing chain guide is known for breaking into a million pieces, this is common on the truck motors. To check for this, drain the oil and remove the lower oil pan, if there is nothing in the pan, that is GREAT NEWS!!! If you find a bunch of broken pieces of plastic, then your in for a long haul to replace that lower guide. This will not cover that, but if it is clean, consider yourself lucky. At this milage its probably good to redo the lower oil pan seal anyway, so consider this a *free* check to the problem.

Now that we have primarily checked the the lower guide, its time to move onto the upper cam chain guides. When I first pulled the VC off the motor the upper guide was broken, so I removed that, put the VC back on. When first starting the car, the noise was gone, but after it warmed up, the noise reappeared.

At this point I called a buddy of mine that works at an Infiniti parts department asking some questions. He pointed out a TSB for this issue, the TSB stated to remove BOTH the upper guide and the side guide on the cam chain. He also stated that they dont even offer replacement parts for this anymore...this is from Nissan/Infiniti.

This is a photo with the guides removed (red arrows) You can see the lower timing chain guide is still there (blue arrow)

(Mods, can you please upload this image somewhere on your server, i will be removing the image from my server in month)



Steps for this are pretty straight forward, a bit time consuming, but here you go.
- Remove VC
- With the VC removed, you can now remove the upper chain guide.
- Remove motor mount bracket that wraps around the head.
- Remove Alternator.
- Now support the motor with a jack under the oil pan or somewhere on that side.
- Remove Passanger side motor mount
- Remove upper Altenator bracket
- Remove Motor Mount attachment point (3 17mm bolts on the side of the motor, you dont have to remove this completely, just get it out of the way so you can get to the upper timing chain cover)
- Lastly, remove the upper timing chain cover. dont forget the two 10mm bolts that attach this to the lower timing chain cover.

From here you can easily remove the second timing chain guide (2 10mm bolts). If your upper chain tensioner is sticking (push on this with something, and check for ease of movement) this is an excellent time to change that too. After that simply button things back up.

This is a great time to replace the belts on the car since your this far in, might as well do it.

This is time consuming since you dont have a ton of room to work with, but after I buttoned things back up, the noise was completely gone.

I hope this helps out others with the same problem. Good luck.

PS: For a free Altima FSM, goto PhatG20 - Home, you might have to register to get it, but its free.
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Last edited by Yahnozha : Oct 20th, 2007 at 04:39 PM. Reason: FSM link added
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Old Oct 21st, 2007, 01:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Reference thread, now closed so I'm linking it here since MANY people are interested in this subject. Who cares if the thread is old ... the info is still valid.

http://www.nissanforums.com/u13-1993...ain-noise.html
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Old Oct 21st, 2007, 01:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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PS: For a free Altima FSM, goto PhatG20 - Home, you might have to register to get it, but its free.
PhatG20 - Home > downloads > FSM > Nissan > Altima
Thanks for the info. FYI ... you can download the FSM (Factory Service Manual) in the link, but it's a .RAR file, which needs RAR decompression software to open. RAR decompression software can be downloaded for free off the web.

A comment about checking if the bottom chain slider is gone. If there are pieces of it in the oil pan then some of these pieces should come out of the pan when the oil is changed ... just check the bottom of you oil drain pan after each oil change.
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