Ok, my first tech question here. I just bought a '97 200SX SE-R. One of the first things I plan to do is upgrade the suspension, wheels/tires and brakes. The suspension parts are easy enough to find after doing a little shopping around. What I'm looking for is a bigger front brake setup. I noticed Stainless Steel Brakes makes a 12" kit listed for the Sentra, but doesn't mention the 200SX. Does anyone know if this kit works on my car? Does anyone know of any other kits out there? (Yes I know upgrading the brakes requires upgrading to appropriate size wheels/tires).
Based on my own experience working in a Nissan dealer I know a lot of the parts on this car are different than on a regular Sentra.
Any reccomendations or comments are appreciated.
what are you going to do with 12" brakes to begin with? You have to ask that question first. There are 2 people who would need brakes that big, Hardcore show cars (1CLNB14), and hardcore track racers. Other than that, you won't need anything bigger than NX front brakes and SE-R rear discs. I don't even know hardcore racers that go above 11.75".
Ok, my first tech question here. I just bought a '97 200SX SE-R. One of the first things I plan to do is upgrade the suspension, wheels/tires and brakes. The suspension parts are easy enough to find after doing a little shopping around. What I'm looking for is a bigger front brake setup. I noticed Stainless Steel Brakes makes a 12" kit listed for the Sentra, but doesn't mention the 200SX. Does anyone know if this kit works on my car? Does anyone know of any other kits out there? (Yes I know upgrading the brakes requires upgrading to appropriate size wheels/tires).
Based on my own experience working in a Nissan dealer I know a lot of the parts on this car are different than on a regular Sentra.
Any reccomendations or comments are appreciated.
if you really want to fastbrakes mekes a 12 inch kit go to there web site and check it out
the budget brake hop up for your car is the front calipers/rotors/pads that would normally be found on a 91-93 Nissan NX2000 with abs, commonly referred to as the ad22vf brake upgrade, named after the caliper. Search on ad22vf. The next step from there is way more expensive, and is only really necessary with turbos and such, unless you want big rotors for appearance sake. My ad22vf set up goes on next week.
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1997 5-speed 200SX SE-R: PRI CAI, UR Ultra SS pullies (full set), timing@17 degrees, JWT Pressure Plate/2000 SE disc, Fidanza 8.8 lb flywheel, Tein Basic Dampers, ST bars front/rear, e-bay braces front/rear, bent beam for no rear toe, Toyo T1-S, ES control arms and shifter bushings, ad22vf brakes, JVC head/Rockford Fosgate speakers, 35% tint.
what are you going to do with 12" brakes to begin with? You have to ask that question first. There are 2 people who would need brakes that big, Hardcore show cars (1CLNB14), and hardcore track racers. Other than that, you won't need anything bigger than NX front brakes and SE-R rear discs. I don't even know hardcore racers that go above 11.75".
I believe the Fastbrakes setup only goes up to 11.75. Here's the breakdown:
SE-R front brakes are the largest you're going to want to run with rear drums, they're slightly larger than the 1.6 front rakes except on the 98-99 models (which they all came with SE-R front brakes). Any bigger than that and it'll be like you have no rear brakes at all.
AD22VF (10.1" discs?) is the next step up. The AD22VF front w/ SE-R rear is very popular and very functional on and off the track. This and anything beyond this usually requires an upgraded MC and SS brakelines.
Fastbrakes 11" upgrade is popular for track cars and people with money. SE-R rears are starting to look scrawny at this point and you should consider maxima rears.
Fastbrakes 11.75" upgrade is the biggest "Functional" brakes I've seen. My Buddy Russel has them on his sentra which has gobbs of cash put into it and it sees the track on a regular Basis. He has maxima rears, and I don't recommend anything less than maxima rears.
SSBC 12" or bigger brakes are just plain crazy, they are beyond functionality, they'll do more harm than good and are almost unstreetable. I can only see Sean doing this setup b/c he's got a shw car and big wheels+big brakes = lots of judges points.
ok, some good resposnes, some I'm a little confused about.
First it is an SE-R, this it already has the SE-R rear discs, second, at least for me these brakes even with good pads and good rotors (I work in a Nissan Dealer Service dept) are anemic feeling at best. Maybe that's because the car is light and I'm not used to it yet, but I just don't like the feel of the brakes.
Next:
I didn't really ask should I go to a bigger brake, I was looking for whether or not there were any other kits or any info. The SSB sight lists only that their front kit is for a sentra, nothing about the 200SX, from experience with the SE-R's that come into the shop getting the right OE parts is hard enough because the car is a little less common and has several things that are unique to it (ie the rear brakes). I was more concerned in my question about fitment. I don't want the brakes for show, I want them to stop the freakin' car. I come from a background (Mustangs and Fords) where 13" and even 14" brakes are not uncommon, not for show, but for stopping even in a street car. Granted that those cars weigh more, the point is I'm going by what's familiar to me, and the first thing I've done to a lot of my cars has been upgrade the brakes. I plan to go to the track with this thing down the road, and I also live in an area where deer (the dumbest animals on earth) are always playing russian roulette with car's at night, (stand in the middle of the road or just stroll on out as you come by) so it'd be nice to be able to stop in some way shape or form.
Thanks to all who made suggestions with info on who makes what for this car.
Creason
If you are planning on ever doing a lapping event/HPDE then I would suggest the NX (AD22VF) brake upgrade. A good writeup is done on Naji's Website, you can find a link here.
I have been using this setup on the track with a turbo powered car and have had no issues with fading or major brake failures. The course that I am normally on is 2.8 miles with a 1.2 mile straight... at turn one, you are braking from 135 to 60, this is repeated again 2 turns later, but from a little slower speed. What am I saying here... the course I normally drive on is hard on brakes, and so far mine have done an awesome job.
Pad recommendation: I suggest for a street pad the Axxis Ultimates and for a track pad the Carbotech Panther+.
Just so you know the sentra brake setup can stop just as easily as most any large brake setup... the key is the brake pads used.
I have the fastbrakes front and ser disc in back with a upgraded MC the bias is not bad actually but they do feel wierd in daily driving and have to be really hot before they feel like that of a normal car. I driven a friends sentra with the NX upgrade it all you really need
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96 200sx with Erebuni 285 kit (GTR), 17" OZ superleggras, wilwood 4 pot 11" brakes, rear disc conversion ,lots suspension upgrades, hotshot header, stromung exhaust, CAI, UR pulley, JWT cams and ecu, racing seats, new carpet and rear seats a few other cosmetics sold car for 350Z
If you work for a nissan dealer, than yu could easily order the parts you need. Get some AD22VF (NX2000 w/ ABS) calipers and rotors and you're set.
You want to make the petal feel less spongy? Stainless steel brake lines and dot 4 or 5 brake fluid. You want a stiffer petal? 97Altima SE (w/o ABS) Master cylinder.
If you plan to do track events, keep in mind upgrading the brakes will most likely put you in a higher class, at least in terms of autoxing. If you get a huge brake, you will throw your bias into the river unless you work on the rear brakes as well. Also, if you get a large kit, to fully utilize it you will prettymuch need R compound tyres. If you have ABS, I highly doubt it would be powerful enough to work a larger caliper, not to mention ABS is IMO a sin. I would highly advise looking into how a brake upgrade would affect the class you race in before going for a kit. Obviously, stainless steel brake lines are the beginning and must be done for a better pedal feel whether you upgrade your brake caliper or not. That and a dot 4 brake fluid such as Motul will make a HUGE difference in the feel of your brakes. If you dont have ABS, stainless steel lines will let you take threshold braking to the max. Good 2 piece rotors, high performance pads, stainless steel lines and a good fluid will be about as affective as upgrading the caliper and a lot less cost wise. It is worth considering this before dropping 2+ grand into just your front brakes. Since the kits available have been established, I would take a look at the other products avaible before dropping cash on a full out front system. I like StopTech a lot personally, and their 2 piece rotors have been proven to be an excellent product. For pads, I like Carbotech, and they will make pads and rotors to fit any vehicle in existance. Everyone has their preferences, and obviously more than one good product exists. At the same time, many not so good products exist also. Hope this helps.
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