All the B14 coilovers I can find. EXPERT opinions wanted.(Long)

PatScottAKA99XE · Oct 25th, 2002, 01:10 PM

Since this comes up so often I am gonna list all of the B14 coilover set-ups I have found. I would like all of the experts on the board to voice their opinions of these set-ups. Pro, Cons, and in some cases will they even fit(N15 parts). I will be adding to this list as I find more. Ill Give all of the specs I know. Feel free to add anything I have left out(e-mail me). I'll try to give all the info I can about each one. If you can add some info, email me and ill put it in. I am gonna try not to list the junk stuff out there. TIA

Advance Design(B14)
Shortened damper design
Dual external damper adjust
Choice of rates in 25lbs increments
Rebuildable, revalveable
est. price: $1840(?) Without springs($55 ea.)
http://www.advance-design.com/
http://www.ground-control.com/

Ground Control(B14)
Coilover sleave kit
Coice of rate in 25lbs increments
Uses seperate dampers(AGX,ect.)
est. price: $400
http://www.ground-control.com/

Tein SS(B14)
Shortened damper design
Single external adj, rebound and comp combined 16 positions
Comes with rates of 336f and 280r
Other rates availible
est. price $1200
http://www.tein.com/ssdamp.html

Tein Basic Damper(B14)
Shortened damper design
No damper adj.
same rates as SS
est. price $750.00
http://www.tein.com/badamp.html

Tein HA(N15)
Shortened damper design
Single external adj, rebound and comp combined 16 positions
Comes with rates 448f and 280r(Note N15 hatch-back kit)
Other rates availible
est. price $1200
http://www.tein.co.jp/hadampe.html

Drummon Motor Sports(DMS) 50mm Giant(N15)
Dual external adjust
est. price $2800
http://www.dmshocks.com/docs/dms50.html

DMS 40mm(N15)
Dual external adjust(?)
est. price $1800
http://www.dmshocks.com/docs/dms40.html

Motivational Engineering(B14)
Shortened damper design
Various options for damper adjust
Rates in 25lbs increments
est. price $1440
http://www.motivational.net/

Whiteline(N15)
No info availible from me
est. Price (au)$3,390
http://www.whiteline.com.au/

Jic Magic SF-1(B14)
Rates 336f and 224r, others may be availible(?)
est. price $1450
http://www.jic-magic.com/suspension/sf1.asp

B&G S3(B14)
No info from me
est. price $1800
http://www.b-gsuspension.com/s3.html

True Choice(B14)
From mild to wild
Single adj to dual adj.
Shortened bodies availible
http://www.truechoice.com

Shock Tec
No info from me
NLA(?)

Scott Higashi SHigSpeed (B14)
Shortened Damper design
Choice of rates in 25lbs increments
Front dual external adjust, rear single(rebound only)
Koni dampers
est. price $1900
Scott_Higashi@el.nec.com
pics - http://dashzerosystems.com/se-r/suspension-install.html

Thats all I can think of for now. More to come if i find/remember any. If there is a set that is not on here its either junk, or I havent got to it yet.

"Who says the B14 has no suspension aftermarket?"

Thanks to:
98sr20ve
CarbonBlack200
morepower2
ShigSpeed

shane · Oct 27th, 2002, 12:43 PM

I've got a set of Ground Controls (300 lb. front, 200 lb. rear) on my car with AGX's all around, and Motivational Engineering rear upper shock mounts. I've been very happy with the results, however I've got it lowered a little bit too much right now, so the ride is pretty harsh. I've noticed some problems with the rebound being too fast with how I've got it tuned right now. Can make for some wheel hop over bumps. Also, I didn't do the install with the duct tape and silicone, so the setup is kinda loud. Clunks and squeeks on bumps, but that's it.

On the track, this is a great setup. Very minimal body roll, and the car goes right where I point it. I get a little bit of skip in flat corners and those with uneven pavement, but on camber turns, the car STICKS even though I'm on street tires.

Geo · Oct 27th, 2002, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by PatScottAKA99XE
...in some cases will they even fit(N15 parts)

For the last time, Nismo lists the B14 and N15 coilovers on the same line. Same part number. By default they will fit.

PatScottAKA99XE · Oct 27th, 2002, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Geo
For the last time, Nismo lists the B14 and N15 coilovers on the same line. Same part number. By default they will fit.

I know, I am the one who scanned and sent pages from the 2002 NISMO cat. The reason I said that is spring rate differences and such. Not the actual bolting up. Would you really wana have rates for a hatch back in your sedan?

peter96 · Oct 27th, 2002, 10:09 PM

The motivatonal rear upper mount and the GC camber caster plates only work with 2.5 in coilovers, right? What diameter are the JIC and Tein proprietary springs? Do they have upper mounts that give more travel? Or just shortened bodies?

PatScottAKA99XE · Oct 28th, 2002, 12:19 PM

Im not sure about the Jic, but the Teins have 50mm springs on one end and 60mm springs on the other according to their site. Tein does have pillow ball mounts, but they do not list them for the B14 SS aplication. They do however list them for the N15 HA app(

). The front pillow ball mounts have camber adj capibilty as well.

JT200SX-N-FX · Nov 13th, 2002, 02:22 AM

Very good post. I have the GC's and was thinking about the Tien's, because of the pillow ball mounts and the adjustable Camber. Would this be a smart move?

PatScottAKA99XE · Nov 13th, 2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by JT200SX-N-FX
Very good post. I have the GC's and was thinking about the Tien's, because of the pillow ball mounts and the adjustable Camber. Would this be a smart move?

I should have the Tein SS in about a month. I am just waiting while they are being shipped from Japan. Ill let you know how they work out.

**morepower2** · Nov 13th, 2002, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by JT200SX-N-FX
Very good post. I have the GC's and was thinking about the Tien's, because of the pillow ball mounts and the adjustable Camber. Would this be a smart move?

GC's have externaly independantly adjustable compression and rebound damping and adjustable camber and caster. They are also 2" shorter than stock so you have plenty of wheel travel.

Mike

shane · Nov 13th, 2002, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by morepower2
GC's have externaly independantly adjustable compression and rebound damping and adjustable camber and caster. They are also 2" shorter than stock so you have plenty of wheel travel.

Mike

GC's are a sleeve type coilover. They aren't a full coilover - ie: you have to get shocks and struts separately. GC's have adjustable height control, but the dampening settings depend on what kind of shock you have. The camber and caster are only adjustable if you get camber plates.

JT200SX-N-FX · Nov 14th, 2002, 02:53 AM

I heard GC's KYB's are the same as stock height.

98sr20ve · Nov 14th, 2002, 10:20 AM

Mike was referring to the Ground Control made Advanced Design Struts not the coilover sleeves that they sell. World of difference of course.
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JT200SX-N-FX · Nov 14th, 2002, 12:12 PM

Now those are nice. But expensive!!

squeezinSE · Nov 15th, 2002, 05:31 PM

I'm thinking about doing the JIC's...Pillow ball mount. revalveable and for 50 bucks extra you can specify whatever spring rate you want.

Anyone know how much the pillow ball mount addition costs for the Tein's?

I didn't realize N15 will fit B14...is this really so? if so why would you get the ss's over the ha's? on Tein can you specify what spring rate you want?

PatScottAKA99XE · Nov 15th, 2002, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by squeezinSE
I'm thinking about doing the JIC's...Pillow ball mount. revalveable and for 50 bucks extra you can specify whatever spring rate you want.

Anyone know how much the pillow ball mount addition costs for the Tein's?

I didn't realize N15 will fit B14...is this really so? if so why would you get the ss's over the ha's? on Tein can you specify what spring rate you want?

Yes you can get the rates you want, but will the dampers be valved right is the question. The dampers have a range of springs that they will work with. Since the rates are way outta wack for a sedan you may need different valveing to get them to work right with springs more suited to a sedan. I thought about going this route, but ended up going with the SS.