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Old May 16th, 2004, 01:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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To all who those lowered their car..

What kind did you use, and how much of a drop?

I was looking at these Eibach Sportline Kit Coil Springs and wondering if anyone knew if they were good or not. Plus they don't even advertise how much of a drop you get out of them.
And also at what distance will you start having clearance issues with the wheel?
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Old May 16th, 2004, 01:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What kind did you use, and how much of a drop?

I was looking at these Eibach Sportline Kit Coil Springs and wondering if anyone knew if they were good or not. Plus they don't even advertise how much of a drop you get out of them.
And also at what distance will you start having clearance issues with the wheel?
I got Eibach Prokits and despite what other ppl say about them I am happy with the ride and look for what I paid. For me, money isn't abundant, so I wanted to do the best/cheapest way to drop. Bought used protkit springs and installed them on stock shocks (which will be upgraded once they blow). I'm not sure if you have a ga16 or an sr20, but if you have a ga16, I recommend the sportlines b/c your shocks are slightly longer then the sr20 (car sits a little higher) so you need that little bit of an extra drop for it to look as low as the sr20 with the prokits. I think you'll be happy with the sportlines It's all in personal preference though in how low you want the car, and the how stiff you want the ride.

What are you looking at as far as shocks go? If you ahve the money, drop your car properply, if not, I think stock shocks do just fine until they blow

this is my car looks like with prokits; I wouldn't want my ride any lower:

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Old May 16th, 2004, 01:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The stock B14 suspension has a total of about 4 inches of travel. You lose an inch of travel for every inch you drop the car. You will definitely need new heavy struts/shocks (e.g. AGX adjustables) with after-market springs, and will have to shorten the stock bump stops. With a 2 inch drop (approx. what you get with Sportlines), you will still be hitting the bump stops on the suspension regularly even with new shocks.

The best way to lower the B14 is to get shortened struts such as Tiens. Alternatively you can get good quality coilovers. Search around the forum to see what others have done.

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Old May 16th, 2004, 02:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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if you go with a spring setup go no lower than 1.5", get the kyb agx's with the prokit springs, koni bump stops and motivational rear strut mount for more travel
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Old May 16th, 2004, 02:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I have Teins on my '95 Sentra and couldn't be happier. I have about a 2" drop all around w/ OBX Camber Bolts and I am extremely happy with the quality of the ride. Tein Basics will run you around $700 brand new, but you can always go with the Eibach's and some shortened struts for a little less.
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Old May 16th, 2004, 02:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I jus wanted to mention something I found out from experience. The SR20 cars look lower b/c they are equipped with a front sway bar. The way sway bars are mounted, it sorta pulls the steering knuckle up into the wheel well a bit more.

Here's my setup:
Front: B13 AGX struts/Eibach Sportline springs
Rear: B14 AGX shocks/Eibach Pro-kit springs/Motivational upper mounts.

it sounds kinda mix-match, but I chose this setup to give me the most even drop along with the most suspension travel possible.

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Old May 16th, 2004, 03:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The SR20 cars look lower b/c they are equipped with a front sway bar. The way sway bars are mounted, it sorta pulls the steering knuckle up into the wheel well a bit more.
If sway bars are installed correctly, they don't exert any force on the car when it is standing still. I installed ST sways in my car, and it didnt affect the stance at all. I took pains to be sure that there was no force on the bushings with the weight of the car on the wheels.

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Thanks for everyones help, I was planning on getting some KYB's but their $50 each, so I can't get them at the same time as the springs. And there's no I would feel like waiting to install both.
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If sway bars are installed correctly, they don't exert any force on the car when it is standing still. I installed ST sways in my car, and it didnt affect the stance at all. I took pains to be sure that there was no force on the bushings with the weight of the car on the wheels.

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it's the factory bar...

I know it's pulling up on the steering knuckle b/c when I was getting the suspension off, it was giving me a real pain b/c it almost wanted to compress the assembly when the car was in the air and the wheel was off.
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it's the factory bar...

I know it's pulling up on the steering knuckle b/c when I was getting the suspension off, it was giving me a real pain b/c it almost wanted to compress the assembly when the car was in the air and the wheel was off.
With the weight off the wheels, it does pull because the bar can't travel that far. When the weight is on the wheels, it doesn't. The only time your car will see this force is if it leaves the ground.

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Old May 16th, 2004, 04:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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hmmm, well, either way, I can't argue with the fact that the SR20 cars sit WAAAY batter than the GA16 cars. My current suspension is the exact suspension swapped over from my old 97GA. Even though it's the same suspension on basically the same car, I eliminated over an inch of front fender gap that I had on the GA. Even saw a blue SE-L on the SR20forum that has my setup and his looks good too. The only difference on both cars is the weight balance and the factory sway bar. And if it had anything to do with the weight, it would be just the opposite b/c the cast iron GA16 is heavier.
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Old May 16th, 2004, 05:00 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If that were an SE, I guarantee there would be an extra inch of wheel gap under the front fender.
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Old May 16th, 2004, 05:19 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If that were an SE, I guarantee there would be an extra inch of wheel gap under the front fender.
According to the FSM, in '97 the SE-R came with 15 inch rims and the SE came with 14 inch. The front height measured from the top of the wheel well with original wheels/tires is listed as:

SE (175/65 x 14)
Front - 26.22 inches
Rear - 25.51 inches

SE-R (195/55 x 15)
Front - 26.34 inches
Rear - 25.59 inches

Pretty much the same height

So there would be more wheel gap on the SE (smaller wheels/tires and same fender height). You're right.

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Old May 16th, 2004, 05:53 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I mean assuming they have the same wheels. I noticed at stock height they look about the same, but still there's no doubt the AGX/sportlines look much better on the SE-L. I don't know why, but seriously the SR20 takes a drop MUCH better.

Same setup (wheels have almost the same outer diameter):


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Old May 16th, 2004, 06:13 PM   #15 (permalink)
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you are not going to have clearance issues with the wheel. i will promise you that the ride, although ok at first, will eventually suck. not saying don't do it, just a little heads up. for the money though, eh, not bad.
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