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Old Mar 23rd, 2004, 07:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sticky on crappo coil over conversion kits!

Another question that comes up daily is how are coil over conversions. The only coil over conversion kits that are any good are the ones made by Ground Control. The others such as Rickey Racer, Arospeed, E-Bay chinese, Weapon-R and the rest are crap.

They come with springs of unknown heritage and spring rate. These guys don't even know there own spring rates if you call them. All the rates are the same for all cars. Well spring rates are not universal and you cannot spec the same rates front and rear for everything. To do so can cause dangerous oversteer. There is also no provision for bearings in the upper spring seat so guess what, clunks rattles, creaks and binding steering. Whatever spec anodizing means corrsion and sezing. Mutt springs means sagging and loosing the spring rate with use, not that anyone knows the spring rates in the frist place. Spring rates are the most critical attributes when doing suspension tuning. Don't let a salesman tell you otherwise. There is no such thing as a universal spring rate!

Ground Controls use Eibach ERS racing springs with the rates determined by suspension experts tailored for your use from racer to autocrosser to street comfort. Their hardware is mil-spec hard anodized for corrosion resistance and the top hats have bearings so the steering won't bind.

Will all coilovers, don't lower your car too much, B13, 14 and 15 Sentras should not be lowered more than 1-1.5".

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Old Apr 7th, 2004, 04:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think we need to put more emphasis on just how dangerous putting cheap coilovers on any car is. Too many people seem to be using "I'm not going to the track. It's good enough for me for my street driving" as an excuse to justify buying shitty springs or cheap coilovers. I don't want to hear of any crashes, injuries, or deaths of fellow members from sliding off the road and hitting obstacles because their suspension system was set up like crap.
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Old Apr 7th, 2004, 04:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think we need to put more emphasis on just how dangerous putting cheap coilovers on any car is. Too many people seem to be using "I'm not going to the track. It's good enough for me for my street driving" as an excuse to justify buying shitty springs or cheap coilovers. I don't want to hear of any crashes, injuries, or deaths of fellow members from sliding off the road and hitting obstacles because their suspension system was set up like crap.
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Old Apr 7th, 2004, 05:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think we need to put more emphasis on just how dangerous putting cheap coilovers on any car is. Too many people seem to be using "I'm not going to the track. It's good enough for me for my street driving" as an excuse to justify buying shitty springs or cheap coilovers. I don't want to hear of any crashes, injuries, or deaths of fellow members from sliding off the road and hitting obstacles because their suspension system was set up like crap.
Yes, it gets me pissed that many ricer companies make "universal" coilovers with unknown spring rates and the same spring rates front to rear for all models. Its insane and not responsible. Then poor uninformed people buy them....

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Old Apr 7th, 2004, 06:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Very true. R-1 Racing coilovers are also very shitty. I have them, and I have the dreaded binding steering. I hope to be upgrading soon.
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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 05:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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what about nismo coilovers?
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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 05:58 PM   #7 (permalink)
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what about nismo coilovers?
Nismo does not make a universal coilover conversion kit to convert conventional shocks to coil over springs. If someone is selling this claiming that its Nismo, then its bogus. Nismo does have R-Tune coilover suspension for some models but thats not a coilover conversion.

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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 06:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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another problem is that joe-home mechnic may not really know what a good suspension setup is anyway, so their picking parts and spring and damper rates may not be the best idea.

if you want coilovers and adjustable dampers be ready for having to learn some new stuff. perhaps messy and inconvienent, but that's why the oem R&R stuff isn't adjustable.
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Old Jun 1st, 2004, 10:08 AM   #9 (permalink)
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God Bless stock suspension....
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Old Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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anybody try ractives coilover kit?
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Old Jun 2nd, 2004, 09:07 PM   #11 (permalink)
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anybody try ractives coilover kit?

they are crap, hence the low price.
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Old Jun 14th, 2004, 10:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I got vaos coil overs, i got them at whole sale..what about them..im not saying there good or bad
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Old Jun 16th, 2004, 01:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I am curious to know how Ractive, vaos and dropzone perform.
I think in all fairness, these crappo coilover sleeves, need to be tested with kyb agx or some other adjustable shocks.

The dropzone seems to work on hondas, especially civics.
A guy who has ractives on his honda says they feel good, just like the skunk2.
The vaos I have no clue about, them and dropzone atleast have shocks so they might can match the unknown spring rate.

Keep us posted on the vaos please.
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Old Jun 16th, 2004, 01:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I got vaos coil overs, i got them at whole sale..what about them..im not saying there good or bad
they're all crap.


lemme guess.......you all bought them for like 99 or less. they are CRAP.

coilovers are NOT meant to be cheap. You have to understand that. If you can't grasp it..........deal with the imminent problems.
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Old Jun 16th, 2004, 02:02 PM   #15 (permalink)
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ground control

ground control are good i hear, what do u people think?
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