I'm depressed about suspension

zeno · May 2nd, 2003, 01:13 PM

Geez....I finally read through that huge sticky post on how much the suspension options for our cars suck unless you are willing to dish out a grand on coilovers. Is the situation that bleak?

I was in the process of researching suspension set-ups for my next project. I was think of Eibach PK and KYB AGX but now the whole project seems futile. I want the opinion of those w/ this set-up compared to coilovers. Is it that shitty? I would also like to know your goal w/ your car, are you are a serious autoX driver or just a street driver.

I'm not planning of autoXing or anything serious but am looking for an upgraded set-up.

onyxeros · May 2nd, 2003, 02:20 PM

seem like we are in every post today...

I run agx with H&R and it rides the best out of the non-coilover set-ups

the springs are stiffer than eibach PK and lower a bit more. this weekend im getting my rear beam bent for further enhancements and then i can easily do autoX or a little hot lapping an not have to worry.

PM me if you want to discuss the best suspension options on a budget...it took me a long time to decide and i got H&R's for a reason.

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sethwas · May 2nd, 2003, 03:03 PM

Well,
I thought it wasn't cost effective to go the KYB/Eibach setup anymore.
Its (for with koni bumpstops and motiv. rear mounts) an average of $200 a side without shipping. For $200 more you can get yourself some Tein's.

Seth

Neil · May 2nd, 2003, 03:28 PM

Im in the same boat as you. Worried that if i slap something on then it will be bottoming all the time or whatnot. Personally I'm waiting to see if hypercoils develops anything for the B14 since it will probably be better than any spring out there now.

When it does boil down to it though, seth has a point. You can get a really high end setup for only a couple hundred bucks more, although to some people $200 is a ton of cash

PatScottAKA99XE · May 2nd, 2003, 04:43 PM

I have just upgraded from Eibach Sportlines to Tein SS coilovers. What a huge difference in ride and performance. Even though the spring rates on my coilover are 2-3 times stiffer than the Sportlines the ride is way better. Its better because of the increased travel(Tein dampers are shorter than stock) and proper spring rate/damping force combination. I am a serious street driver(legal though..mostly), and have plans to Auto-X this new set up(with a few other mods). Dont waste your time with springs if you want to be fast and comfortable. Heck..Tein is gonna have a coilover set-up for around $750.00(B14) soon.

Neil · May 2nd, 2003, 09:21 PM

what would be the difference between the current Tein coilovers and their cheaper one...well other than the $250?

Rama · May 3rd, 2003, 12:09 AM

The SS Dampers have 16 way adjustable dampers and retail for 1250 the Basic Dampers retail for 750 they have the coiloves, but the dampening on the dampers aren't adjustable they are set like other struts. So basically for a Retail Price 1250 compared to 750 you have a 500 dollar difference and for the 500 you can adjust the dampening on your struts if you dont want that ability or dont care for it or wont use it spend the 750 for the Basic Dampers instead of the 1250 Super Street Dampers.

PatScottAKA99XE · May 3rd, 2003, 08:44 AM

Well put Rama, also.. being able to adjust the damping force lets you better tune for different spring rates should one decide to change rates.

Neil · May 3rd, 2003, 11:32 AM

Hmmm so the single setting coilovers does anyone have any info as to how stiff they are set since they can't be changed? Are they targeting these more towards your typical commuter consumer and not making them super stiff?

Rama · May 3rd, 2003, 07:12 PM

I am trying to attain info on your question right now Neil as soon as I know I'll let you guys know.

Pat thanks I am trying to help since I noticed only of a handful of people grasp the whole suspension thing so I am trying to help out. It's little easier for me because I used to mess with R/C cars alot when I was younger and dug deep into the suspension on those things. Ride height,sprig rates, oil weight which contributed to dampening forces, camber, and toe-in toe-out were all adjsutable the only difference is cars are alot more expensive to experiment with than R/C's but alot of the same principles apply. The RC world even began changing the valving within the shock bodies in order the adjust dampening so then there was another factor thrown into the mix but I got out of it at the beginning of that so I didnt get to knowledgable about it. But anyways I am here to help as best as I can.

Neil · May 3rd, 2003, 08:53 PM

always good to see a person help. I dont really know too much about suspension stuff since I never plan on running any tracks or racing or anything. I just would like a slightly lower ride 1-1.5", not blow around with wind on the highway or feel like im gonna tip over, and not bottom out or knock my jaw out of place from the harsh ride.

PatScottAKA99XE · May 3rd, 2003, 09:23 PM

They are very similar to my SS set-up, I would imagine(it makes sense) that the dampers on the non-adj are in the middle of the range compared to the SS kit. Its a firm, but very good ride.

Icej · May 4th, 2003, 10:37 AM

When do the basic dampers come out? I might buy them instead of the gc's with agx since they would probally be around the same price.

I was just looking on teins site and they had this price for the b14 basic dampers
Nissan 200SX
B14 95-98 BASIC DSP16-LUSS2
Coming Soon
$890.00

Neil · May 4th, 2003, 01:05 PM

im sure someone will do a groupbuy or something that will knock some bucks off the price

Icej · May 4th, 2003, 02:20 PM

I am looking to lower my car in june I just hope they come out by than cause it is only like 80 bucks more than gc's with agx's