Would would it take to get someone(mag or otherwise) to do a back to back B14 suspension comparo? There is a lot of good info on the boards here, but i would much rather see a comparo. The reason is that it seems like there are only a few of the same members posting on B14 suspension options. Thats all fine and dandy, but some of those few(me) havent been able to test every or even multiple set-ups. I know my auto suspension pretty good, but its all theory. I get tons a questions on B14 susp, i try to answer them as honestly and accurately as possilbe. What if I'm wrong and a member asks me a question, takes my word as gospel, and is unhappy with his/her purchase because they didnt ask any one esle. Is it my fault or their fault? I would have to assume some responsiblity wouldnt I? Enough of the little tangent there.
So what would it take, I want it done. Who else is with me? Maybe we can get the ball rolling. Or is the B14 just not popular enough for something like this. Even though we love them and are sick of seeing Cvic stuff tested over and over and over again.
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Yeah it sure would, but hasnt it been done before with other platforms? Id like to see your stuff, Advance Design, Tein(SS and BD), GC/AGX, stock, and for giggles lowering springs. I think between the first 4 it would be a good comparo covering pretty much the whole price range. In parts it would cost what about 7 grand paying full price for the stuff. Then you would have to add in labor and all the other exp that a mag incurrs doing this(I have no idea). So maybe its a pipe dream, but I wonder what some of the other comparos cost.
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great idea... but if they haven't done it for the honda crowd you can bet they won't do it for us. If they have done it, well than you may have a shot. has this been done for like the integra or civic? if it has they might consider doing it for us too.
Well,
A quick way is to make a poll or just a thread with who has what suspension setup. Thatway you can see if certain people with different setups live in the same region and ask them all to get together.
Socal SERCA will host another track day on the 23 of May. I think this is the best time to do a test on any suspension. I personally know someone that has M/E setup as well as G/C AGX combo and a few other setups.
I told myoung that he can test drive my car and my friend's car. We both have Tein type HA suspensions with 24 front and 22 rear adjustments. The only difference are the spring rates(I have 7 front 6 rear while he has 6 front 5 rear) and I think he only has a rebound adjustment while mine is compression and rebound.
We can do a back to back comparo and publish it on NPM. Maybe we can ask Mike Kojima or any of SE-R Cup car drivers to test it for us. Just like what they do on any car magazines. (real drivers for real cars)
What do you think?
Bob
I was talking about good handling set-ups, not those for looks. I would want a spring equip car in the comparo to show how crappy they are for handling.
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Originally posted by shmuck90 Not funny, a lot of ppl have springs and cannot afford good coilovers like myself not the best setup but a setup
(Way off topic comment here, but that won't be true in like 4 weeks. A 'good' set of lowering springs and shocks and bump stops and the mandatory Motiv. rear mounts which would constitute the correct way to use lowering springs is not that much cheaper than coilovers. In fact it is more expensive than the damperless teins coming out and the same as the damperchanging ones. Of course for the full blown action types its like $1800 but thats extreme)
improves style and makes the car funner to drive and also allows people that can't afford expensive setups to have an option besides stock.
Not intended as a flame or to call you dumb, this is just my opinion:
How can you consider lowering springs an improvement when they downgrade the handeling of your car. I ran my stock springs for a year and lowering springs for about two. I have driven my car in a "sporty" fashion since I got it new. I can say for sure that the lowering springs didnt help out performance or fun at all. They make the car bottom out when under high lateral G loads(turning) which can very easily put you off the road and almost has. The car also bottoms out even on moderatly rough roads, even when driving like granny. If I didnt work on cars full time I would have put my stockers back on, but its hard for me to get up the ambition to work on my own stuff now unless Im putting on trick parts. There are NO, repeat NO lowering springs currently on the market that increase the turning prowess and fun to drive factor of the B14. I dont care what struts you pair them with. The Motivational struts may make it decent, but all the springs are still too soft to get the B14 handeling better. All of the current offerings are for LOOKS, they are all purley cosmetic mods. Any B14 tuner interested in perfomance would spend the $200.00 that lowering springs cost and buy some AD22VF calipers or something that really improves the car. I dont belive it when people say that they can not afford the good stuff. BS I say. Why? Number one: if you have a job then save up. Simple as that. If you absolutly can not save up that much then you need to STOP modding your car and use the money for more important things in life.. What would happen if you broke a thousand dolar part or suddenly need to come up with a grand for an emergency. If you cant afford to spend that much on your car how are you going to spend it when its absolutly nessasary?? Lets face it..in todays world the need for a grand or so can hit at any time. Number two: It takes money to mod cars. If you cant accept that fact then you need to either step up and run with the big dogs or stay on the proch. Dont make excuses for inferior parts. That bird dont fly. Number three: If say you are still in school and cant hold down a full time job that pays enough to afford the good stuff then dont even bother with your car. Its not worth the effort when you are in school. You need to concentrate on school and nothing else. I made the mistake of being obsessed with my car when I was in school. It was not worth it. Just wait till your done then start in on your car.
The moral of all of this is that lowering springs are cosmetic, they make your B14 handle like shit, and that there are no excuses in the world that can make for their short commings or for the fact that they are junk. They are like crack for your car. In the begining the high(low should we say?) is nice, but in the long run your just ruining a perfectly good car.
blueboost, how much did those 17" rims cost you with tires mounted and balanced? Im willing to bet it would be a big chunk of a real suspension set-up.
I dont mean to single you out in a bad way, I just want to use that as an example. 95% of the so called tuners today start out wrong from the get-go. 17" rims are the last thing I would put on a B14 that I wanted to improve. Those things hurt the little car quite a bit. Really hurt when its GA powered. Just in rotational mass 1lbs on a wheel equalls about ten in the car, I will just touch on the issue of unsprung weight: There is no way in hell that a set of aftermarket stock style dampers(even AGX's) and lowering springs can properly control those heavy rims. The set-up would simply give up and ride/hande like shit. Sorry blueboost no harm intended.
I could go on for hours, but I wont. If people keep telling me that lowering springs are not as bad as I think I will simply keep spitin out something similar to this post every time that happens. Im trying to help, If I can get through to just a few people Ill be happy. I know I wont convert you all and I dont intend to.
Peace
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Just a couple of things, my friend also installed the exact same setup as mine and he says the handling dramatically changed, positively btw.
And the sportlines are very soft and too low for the rear, the only reason I got tein is because they are the stiffest springs and don’t even lower the rear 1.5 inches and are almost 300 lbs (rate) in the rear. And I know Tein is a very good company, I think engineers know what theyre doing. I don’t really need coilovers and all the hardcore stuff, because im a street driver not an autox.
“There are NO, repeat NO lowering springs currently on the market that increase the turning prowess and fun to drive factor of the B14” I think this is also an opinion. None of the companies I read about say “These springs are for ricers or just looks”.
“What would happen if you broke a thousand dolar part or suddenly need to come up with a grand for an emergency. If you cant afford to spend that much on your car how are you going to spend it when its absolutly nessasary??” That’s exactly why I wouldn’t spend that much on my car and honestly because i don’t think a pretty high mileage automatic Sentra is worth going too far in my opinion.
“Its not worth the effort when you are in school. You need to concentrate on school and nothing else. I made the mistake of being obsessed with my car when I was in school. It was not worth it. Just wait till your done then start in on your car.”
This I extremely agree, this is such a mistake and im sure a lot of ppl are doing it.
I also agree about getting 17” rims, even though I have the same size, I bought it like that and they seem very light, made of aluminum. I wish I can get the same style but 16s instead, but I really think my car handles great right with just the rims and its not even that slow (I have an AT) and I have great tires if anyone heard of them theyre pretty new Yokohama AVS ES100 summer tires ultra high performance. Theyre excellent never squeaked yet. I know ive driven an M3 and a boxster, nice cars btw but the M3 is too good. BTW Pat don’t u have 17” rims, how big are urs?
This also just my opinion, so please im not trying to start a fight or anything, I didn’t even intend to start anything, Pat just seems to get fired up about coilovers vs. springs (esp. suspension area) lol .
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