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Old Feb 18th, 2003, 10:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New Tein coilovers for the B14, B15, 240SX

Im looking at the new Sport Compact car mag. pg. 190-191 it a Tein ad. They have a new set of coilovers coming out. They are called Basic Damper. The Ad says this:

A great entry level tuned coil-oever suspension

Ride height adjustible without damping force adjustability

Twin tube structure availible for overhaul

Priced from $750.00 MSRP

Available April 2003

These look very promising for the budget crowd. Ill try to get more info from my Tein dealer ( www.ilpperformance.com )

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Old Feb 19th, 2003, 01:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmm,
MSRP of $750? This is for a coilover set. As in just remove your old setup and bolt these in?
Sounds too good to be true. A spring shock combo usually costs more money thatn that.
Sportline+AGX+koni bumpsotops+motivational rear mounts= waay more than $750.
I see that you can adjust the ride height, but not how stiff they are. How stiff are they, and does it change based on ride height?
Whats the catch?

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Old Feb 19th, 2003, 05:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No catch. Full coilover setup remove your old struts and springs and bolt these in. I dont know the spring rates yet though.
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Old Feb 19th, 2003, 09:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hmmm,
MSRP of $750? This is for a coilover set. As in just remove your old setup and bolt these in?
Sounds too good to be true. A spring shock combo usually costs more money thatn that.
Sportline+AGX+koni bumpsotops+motivational rear mounts= waay more than $750.
I see that you can adjust the ride height, but not how stiff they are. How stiff are they, and does it change based on ride height?
Whats the catch?

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Tein's setup (for the b15 atleast) is known for not having the strut shortened enough, so you still loose some wheel travel. the setup you described will probably perform better on the track. Tein seems to be good for lowering your car and riding around town.
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Old Feb 19th, 2003, 09:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The setup he described doesnt have shortened struts at all. I do not see how it would perform better at the track then a set of Tein coilovers which are shorter even if its a small amount. With the Tein setup at least you will gain some back, with the AGX's you wont.
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Old Feb 19th, 2003, 09:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Pat, the link doesnt work. Anyways, if the spring rate is right, i would definitely go for them. Can we lower the car with these??
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Does it really matter? That car is so visibly loud, a deaf mute starts to cuss it 2 exits away.
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Old Feb 19th, 2003, 09:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Its fixed now. Man I am a horrible speller.
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Old Feb 19th, 2003, 10:01 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If they turn out to be "budget suspension", you think you could get a GB going with your contacts??
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Its a possibility. I just installed windows xp and my comp is on the fritz. I gotta get AIM going again. As soon as I do Ill get ahold of him.
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 12:03 AM   #10 (permalink)
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pat i know youve had a good experience with your contacts but they were horrible with me. They took 3 months to ship me springs they said were in stock!
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Oh yeah,
I fogot to ask:
Do they bang, bump, clang and clunk like the rest of the coilovers, or are they silent like a normal suspension?

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Silent, the reason others are noisey is becasue they are sleave on strut setups. Its the sleaves that are noisey. With real coilovers like Tein, AD, ME, ect. The threaded sleave isnt really a sleave, its made onto the damper body. I e-mailing Tein right now. I know what questions to ask, and ill try to get some good 411
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 02:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Nice,
Since this setup is cheaper than a component setup (and allegedly rides better, although hopefully not too much stiffer) I may be looking forward to owning a set this summer.

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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 03:31 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I'LL be down for these once PAT finds out about everything, GB sound even better!!!!
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Im trying. Should ride alot better than a component setup. I doubt it will be overly stiff either. Mike Young was telling me about Mike Saki's car. He said that rode better than stock with spring rates that are ALOT(100-200%) stiffer than stock(Motivational set-up of course). Travel is the key to a good ride. You can have soft springs but without travel it will be very harsh. Thats the problem with Lowering springs. They are soft and you have no travel. I think 99% of you would be happy with the ride of these if the rates are anywere near what Im thinking. I would almost dare to say that even these lower cost Teins would out perform GC/AGX with the same spring rates. By perform I mean: handeling, ride quality, ease of use, price, and noise. Remember though with this setup you may not have alot of spring rate options and you can not adjust the damping, only ride height. For someone looking to lower a Sentra the "right" and not a racer, these sound like they would be the ticket!
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