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Old Jan 6th, 2003, 12:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ok another suspension q?

ok.. i've done search, and now i need public opinion. I have a 1996 200sx SE. It's my daily driver i also own a 92 240sx se coupe (it's a beast)

i dont want to spend a lot of money on my 200. b/c i put the majority of my $ on my track car, my baby. i spent more on my engine and turbo setup than i did on my 200sx.

when i searched i noticed everyone says if you lower the car more than 1.5" we have too little travel and it will bottom out. i dont mind messing up my oem struts, but it may also be unsafe.
So i have been looking at getting some KYB gr2's b/c they are fairly stiff and have a slightly smaller shock body.
I am thinking of getting goldline springs. 2.0" drop. i installed them on a 200 couple weeks ago and they rode fairly well. nice spring rate. but i did notice the suspension travel.
i guess my q? is what setup will get me the lowest for the cheapest (while being safe) is it ok to go with an aftermarket strut and 2.0" drop(either spring or coilover)
p.s. i can get kyb gr2's at dealer price $160 for all 4 i can get goldlines for $89.
does anyone know where to get cheap coilovers?... real cheap?
thanx
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Old Jan 6th, 2003, 05:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This should be moved to the suspension section

But anyways to give you my input, the only coilovers worth getting (coilovers being spring and collar) for your car are the groundcontrol. Or else you'll get what you pay for, and you wont be happy with the results.
As for the struts, I heard the gr2s are decent, and if you can get a set for $160, you should go with those. Although the AGXs are better, they'll run you $370 a set.
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Old Jan 6th, 2003, 11:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
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hey man .. what's ur car lowered with?
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Old Jan 6th, 2003, 12:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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well, currently I have eibach sportlines, they lower the car 1.9" the ride sucks on stock struts though. I recently ordered some kyb agxs with the B13 front, B14 rear combo. But since I'm out of the country right now, I havent been able to install them yet. But when I get those on, it should greatly improve the ride quality.

I used to have another 200sx, and I got aerospeed coilovers, and they really sucked, although they were on stock struts, but I would never buy those or any other cheap coilovers again.
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Old Jan 6th, 2003, 06:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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ok.. so i plan on putting kyb gr-s's(non adJ) struts on my B-14.
can i buy gr-2's for the b-13 front and b-14 back?...and also is it just as easy an install or is ther custome fab. work to be done.?
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Old Jan 6th, 2003, 06:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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huh?

ok everyone says get the agx's i dont understand.. i want the gr-2's b/c they are cheaper i dont care bout the adjustability. i want they are the same ride as the agx's set on the middle setting.
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Old Jan 6th, 2003, 09:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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well if u get Groundcontrols and agx's u can have the adjustablity in the ride height and stiffness. that is the setup i have. i was at a 4" drop on the GC's. turns out i was riding on the bumpstops. i raised it up 1" about a week ago and it rides freakin awesome. so with a 3" drop on non-adjustable i doubt that 3 would be possible. adjustability of stiffness keeps u from bottoming out. im set at 3 front and 5 rear. GOLDEN RULE: you get what u pay for. everyone knows that.

you can try the gr2's but its gonna suck if u install them and then have problems cause u wont be able to return them

good luck with what u choose
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Old Jan 6th, 2003, 11:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
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ok u have urs with a 3" drop- set at 3 and 5 on you agx's
mine will be a 2" drop- with the equivlent stiffness of 4 all around. but on top of that, the ride in the back is not that bad, b/c there is more travel and i wil have the b13 struts up front which have 2" more travel.. so i should be set right?... does anyone else have this setup?
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well all im sayin if i think u would be better off just gettin the agx's to start with. may save you money in the end. i have ground control camber plates also and they added just a little bit of suspension travel plus lowered it just a tiny bit more (it does this because u have to take the whole strut mount assembly out). id say if you really wanna be safe. you can either just buy the agx's and springs or you can go with gr2s (b13front and b14back), springs, motivational rear mounts, and camber plates(ground control but with the B13 fronts u will have extra travel. so atleast the mot. rear mounts.) that way u can have the extra suspension travel plus the ability to adjust your camber. the second choice would be more expensive than the first but that is the only way i would ever buy gr2s. that might extend the life of the struts.

are u sure that B13 fronts give you an extra 2" of travel? seems a little much to me. 1/2" sounds a little more reasonable
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Old Jan 7th, 2003, 10:19 AM   #10 (permalink)
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yeah, it is only 1/2" gain of travel.
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Old Jan 8th, 2003, 12:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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oh yeah my bad. io know the deal with the frotn camber plates that makes sense. but the rear motivational mounts.. i dotn understand what they do?
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Old Jan 8th, 2003, 06:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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yeah, it is only 1/2" gain of travel.
Yeah and the travel trick(B13F, B14R) only works if you are using a sleave coilover kit like Ground Control. Its worthless to do it with lowering springs. Search around and youll find out what Im talking about.
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Old Jan 9th, 2003, 01:24 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Yeah and the travel trick(B13F, B14R) only works if you are using a sleave coilover kit like Ground Control. Its worthless to do it with lowering springs. Search around and youll find out what Im talking about.
ok by worthless, it's wont be harmful though, b/c i may want GC's later on..
so it wont hurt right.
and u say it will only work for coilovers, b/c they tend to go lower or is there another reason
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If you are getting GC's later on dont waste your money on lowering springs now. Just wait till you can afford the good stuff.
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Old Jan 11th, 2003, 05:49 AM   #15 (permalink)
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If you are getting GC's later on dont waste your money on lowering springs now. Just wait till you can afford the good stuff.
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I have the same hesitation as you dope....

If i lower my sentra will i need to get camber plates to change the camber? Or can i tell a technician to do a 4 wheel alignment and adjust the camber? because i dont want to sacrifice the life of my really expensive tires for a gain of handling
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