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Old Oct 31st, 2005, 03:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tire Opinion

Yokohama Parada Spec 2

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Toyo Proxes 4
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Old Oct 31st, 2005, 10:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yokohama Parada Spec 2
I would go with these. The specs look great on these set of tires.
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Old Nov 1st, 2005, 04:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah I have the Parada Spec 2s on my other car and I like them. I'm due for a new tires on that car and I was going to upgrade the B14 with wheels and tires.
I heard the Proxes 4 are unbeatable so I wanted to know if anyone on this forum tried them.
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Old Nov 1st, 2005, 04:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Do they make the ES100 in your size? Better yet, are you willing to pay a few more bones to go to the BF KDW2?
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Old Nov 1st, 2005, 09:41 PM   #5 (permalink)
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They make the ES100 in my size but the BFGs aren't in my size. Have you tried the ES100s?
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Old Nov 1st, 2005, 09:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I run them as my primary street tyre and they are an excellent bang for the buck. I prefer them to the Parada Spec 2 but that is just personal preference.
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Old Nov 2nd, 2005, 04:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I run them as my primary street tyre and they are an excellent bang for the buck. I prefer them to the Parada Spec 2 but that is just personal preference.
What do you like more about the ES100 over Parada?
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Old Nov 2nd, 2005, 11:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Dry traction and especially wet traction. The Parada is assymetric and the ES100 directional. Directional has much better wet characteristics. While the Tire Rack ratings show the Parada rated higher, sometimes they can be misleading as the same people do not rate the same tyres. Both are noisy tyres and wear rather quickly; however, most ultra high and max perf tyres will do this. What characteristics do you want most in a tyre and what size tyre are you looking for?
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Yeah I have the Parada Spec 2s on my other car and I like them. I'm due for a new tires on that car and I was going to upgrade the B14 with wheels and tires.
I heard the Proxes 4 are unbeatable so I wanted to know if anyone on this forum tried them.

I have a set of Proxes 4 on my rear, and I would not trade anything for them.
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Old Nov 3rd, 2005, 02:42 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Dry traction and especially wet traction. The Parada is assymetric and the ES100 directional. Directional has much better wet characteristics. While the Tire Rack ratings show the Parada rated higher, sometimes they can be misleading as the same people do not rate the same tyres. Both are noisy tyres and wear rather quickly; however, most ultra high and max perf tyres will do this. What characteristics do you want most in a tyre and what size tyre are you looking for?

I really want outstanding handling and dry traction, especially at highway speeds. Since I live in Southern California, I'm not really concerned with wet traction. Although last winter it rained at lot, I never had a problem with the Parada Spec 2s on my other car. Also, noise and wear are not important. Those characteristics are not to be expected with performance tires.

Is there any truth to the myth that a performance all-season tire doesn't handle as well as a summer performance tire?
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I really want outstanding handling and dry traction, especially at highway speeds. Since I live in Southern California, I'm not really concerned with wet traction. Although last winter it rained at lot, I never had a problem with the Parada Spec 2s on my other car. Also, noise and wear are not important. Those characteristics are not to be expected with performance tires.
Well, that's good, because the ES100's are the loudest street tyres I have ever owned.

On the plus side, they wear really well for a relatively high performance tyre. Running out of tread is the least of my concerns, and I really beat down on my tyres at the track.
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Old Nov 4th, 2005, 12:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I really want outstanding handling and dry traction, especially at highway speeds. Since I live in Southern California, I'm not really concerned with wet traction. Although last winter it rained at lot, I never had a problem with the Parada Spec 2s on my other car. Also, noise and wear are not important. Those characteristics are not to be expected with performance tires.

Is there any truth to the myth that a performance all-season tire doesn't handle as well as a summer performance tire?
Truth. The best performance tyres are all summer only. Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD-07, Falken Azenis ST615 and 215, Khumo Ecsta MX, BF Goodrich T/A KD, Pirelli P Zero Rosso Directional, Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position. These are some of the world's best tyres. None of them are designed for all season uses and many are damaged if the weather gets too cold. No all season ultra high performance tyres can touch them. And obviously, the best performers in dry traction will give way to ability in wet traction with a few exceptions.
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Old Nov 4th, 2005, 09:07 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Also add the Toyo T1-S and T1-R to that list.

many of the local spec Miata racers run the T1-S as a rain tire, then shave them when they get older and use them for a practice day tire instead of their RA-1.
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Old Nov 5th, 2005, 02:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks for the clarification Zac. It sounds like the max performance summer tire is my match. Of all the tires listed on this thread what would be the best one or two meats to seriously consider? Keep in my I just want raw awesome handling/dry traction and unbeatable high speed stability.

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Old Nov 5th, 2005, 08:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
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What are the actual dimensions of the tyre that you need?
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