Fire, but no fuel? - Page 2

Gsolo · Jun 22nd, 2004, 06:36 PM

$400 ouch....we paid $300 for ours

i might have a fuel pump if i can find it. We replaced it in our wagon thinking that the pump was bad but turned out it was a fusible link. If I can find the pump and if its the same for sedan then i think we can work something out for it.

Gsolo · Jun 22nd, 2004, 06:38 PM

nevermind they aren't the same pumps...sorry.

KA24Tech · Jun 22nd, 2004, 07:15 PM

I would get the car out of there and thank them for the help but decline the fix. The fuel injectors won't fire because of the lack of fuel pressure but I wouldn't worry about those at the moment.
The best thing to do is get a Haynes manual for it and then follow that for the repair.
The part no. I have found is 17042-62E00 and retails for $248.93. I am showing that Tacoma Nissan has two of them in stock with a discount on the price. You can call them at 888-473-6200 to verify that is the correct part number and the stock on hand.

Troy

Gsolo · Jun 22nd, 2004, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KA24Tech

I would get the car out of there and thank them for the help but decline the fix. The fuel injectors won't fire because of the lack of fuel pressure but I wouldn't worry about those at the moment.
The best thing to do is get a Haynes manual for it and then follow that for the repair.
The part no. I have found is 17042-62E00 and retails for $248.93. I am showing that Tacoma Nissan has two of them in stock with a discount on the price. You can call them at 888-473-6200 to verify that is the correct part number and the stock on hand.

Troy

umm...try part number 17042-D4560..about $330 from nissan dealer. the 62E00 is for 1990 Stanza and i wouldn't try to find out the hard way whether it fits or not....and i agree don't let the shop work on it anymore they sound like they're trying to screw more money out of you. A real mechanic would replace the fuel pump then go from there. If the injectors don't work after that then they'd be replaced....but i have a feeling the injectors should work but dont take my word for it cause somethigns work weird

but injectors should be fine if the engine wasn't running when polarity was crossed.

KA24Tech · Jun 22nd, 2004, 08:30 PM

I got my part no. info from Partsvoice www.partsvoice.com .
That is why I told him to call to confirm the application and the quantiy.

Troy

Gsolo · Jun 22nd, 2004, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KA24Tech

I got my part no. info from Partsvoice www.partsvoice.com .
That is why I told him to call to confirm the application and the quantiy.

Troy

got mine from Mitchell....so guess we'll see. Either of us could be wrong....knowing nissan both of us are probablly wrong :P

StanzaMoManza · Jun 25th, 2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gsolo

got mine from Mitchell....so guess we'll see. Either of us could be wrong....knowing nissan both of us are probablly wrong :P

Well, if the fuel pump turns out to be the problem (which, in my opinion, is unlikely), then I'll probably just pull it out and get the actual part # off of it. Most likely there are either a couple of different options, depending on which month the car was built, or an updated version or something.

In further news, the car is now back in my driveway. When my roommate called the shop to tell them that he was going to have it picked up they told him that it was "all taken apart right now". It turns out that their definition of "taken apart" is a single little plastic, dome-shaped cover, the origin of which I have no idea. Regardless, they weren't happy to see it go.

I have narrowed down the problem though. I found the fuel pump relay and was able to determine that it is probably in working condition considering the fact that I can hear and feel it click when I turn the key to the 'on' position.

So the next step is to try to find an ECU that I can plug in and see if that will allow the car to run. Gsolo, you said you might have an extra one? I might need one, so if you could see if you can find it, and get me the part # off of it, I would appreciate it.

Gsolo · Jun 25th, 2004, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by StanzaMoManza

Well, if the fuel pump turns out to be the problem (which, in my opinion, is unlikely), then I'll probably just pull it out and get the actual part # off of it. Most likely there are either a couple of different options, depending on which month the car was built, or an updated version or something.

In further news, the car is now back in my driveway. When my roommate called the shop to tell them that he was going to have it picked up they told him that it was "all taken apart right now". It turns out that their definition of "taken apart" is a single little plastic, dome-shaped cover, the origin of which I have no idea. Regardless, they weren't happy to see it go.

I have narrowed down the problem though. I found the fuel pump relay and was able to determine that it is probably in working condition considering the fact that I can hear and feel it click when I turn the key to the 'on' position.

So the next step is to try to find an ECU that I can plug in and see if that will allow the car to run. Gsolo, you said you might have an extra one? I might need one, so if you could see if you can find it, and get me the part # off of it, I would appreciate it.

if i dont' get back to you on that ecu by this time tomorrow then email me Gsolo@juno.com i'm really busy and i might forget, but i dont' want to leave someone in the water so if you ahve to give me a swift kick in the ass reminder

StanzaMoManza · Jul 7th, 2004, 05:08 PM

I still haven't gotten this car started, but I think I might be at least a little closer.

I was able to determine that the fuel pump is in fact working, by disconnecting the line to the filter, then supplying powre to the pump. As I suspected it shot a large quantity of fuel out in a matter of seconds. Fuel pump is OK.

I was also able to determine that all of the relays are working by pulling them out slightly so that they were still connected, but I would have access to the terminals to use a circuit tester. All fuses and relays are OK.

What I haven't been able to determine is whether or not the ECU is working, or if the injectors are trying to fire.

I tried to blink out the error codes on the ECU, but neither of the LED's would light up.

I also tried to test for continuity on the injector wires, but I found that both wires on all 4 injectors had power even with the ignition off which just doesn't sound right to me.

So I guess I don't have any specific questions right now, but I'm still looking for advice or suggestions if anyone has any.

Gsolo · Jul 7th, 2004, 06:05 PM

well i can't determine that my ecu's work, so best thing i can suggest for you is to find an ecu to try out. hit the junkyards, call em up and look....also try www.car-parts.com and try ebay

StanzaMoManza · Jul 19th, 2004, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gsolo

well i can't determine that my ecu's work, so best thing i can suggest for you is to find an ecu to try out. hit the junkyards, call em up and look....also try www.car-parts.com and try ebay

Thanks for that link. I was able to use it to get a used ECU fairly locally for only $100 shipped. I installed it this morning and the car fired right up. Now I want to go back to the shop that charged me $110 to misdiagnose the problem and tell them to give me my money back.

asleepz · Jul 19th, 2004, 08:40 PM

probably won't happen. I would sue them or something in a small claims court

Gsolo · Jul 19th, 2004, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by StanzaMoManza

Thanks for that link. I was able to use it to get a used ECU fairly locally for only $100 shipped. I installed it this morning and the car fired right up. Now I want to go back to the shop that charged me $110 to misdiagnose the problem and tell them to give me my money back.

glad to hear you got it running ! although i feel bad that i didnt' have an ecu for you cause i only would have asked like $30. I doubt they would give your money back but yeah, small claims court might pursuade them to give some money back

only if you think its worth the time and effort though

asleepz · Jul 19th, 2004, 10:48 PM

what was your final bill with them

StanzaMoManza · Jul 21st, 2004, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SKD_Tech

what was your final bill with them

It was only $110 or $120, whatever the diagnostic fee was. After I heard their diagnosis I took the car away from them because I figured they were either idiots or being dishonest. It was a good call, if I do say so myself.