I'm looking into learing more about 240's and conversion kits and stuff to the Silvia.
I dont have the car just yet but I'd rather learn more about the prices before I jump into sumtyn like that.
Anyways, as for the questions go, I'm wondering what year of a 240sx is easily converted into the S14 or the S15. So far i have the concept of buying a 96 240sx and convertng it to the S15. but if i save money by buying a 94 or sumtyn, and getting the same conversion kit for the S15 thatd be great, cuz i can save money and stuff.
But if you guys can help me out, that's be great. Ive read the other messages and I'm getting ideas for changing the engine to a skyline engine, but i dont have the car jus yet, so im jus gonna have to learn what i can, hope to chat up some more guys, lates.
Oh Im from toronto, so that car would be a huge head turner.
don't do the skyline engine in the S14. don't do it. i know a guy at MotorEx who talked at length with me about that. i wanted to do it. but the S14 is not meant for it. and it will handle and perform better, provided you build a wicked SR, without it.
Go to www.240sx.org and then to Bulletin Boards. do a search about the RB25DET in a S14. They post quite often about it and everyone on there says it is a good swap. It even fits in without major mods only the crossmember(according to people on there that have done it). It would also be an I6 and not a I4. It can hold 500+HP on stock internals, whereas the SR won't even come close. Go to www.afterdarktuning.com and see their prices on the complete install. Ask them questions about it. They are very nice and get back to you most of the time in the same day. Maybe I'm wrong, but according to people that have done the swap and use their cars as a daily driver say it's a good swap.
i've looked into the RB swap to the S14 on the forums and elsewhere. there's a place called "unstable hybrids." they do the swap. i think they're actually in the south, like tennessee or georgia. they have a faq section on their website applauding and supporting the swap. and i believed it for the longest time until i talked to a mechanic at MotorEx whom i've bought parts from. and he does not recommend it. it is not as simple as modding only the crossmember.
it is true the the SR20DET will not compete with the RB20DET OVERALL. but the SR20DET can be modded to 400 hp to the wheels without a problem. and the low-end of the powerband on the SR20DET will keep up with a Skyline easily. in ways, the RB25 is overrated: keep in mind, in japan, right as we speak, the "drifing" crowd, those who require performance and handling, are often REMOVING the RB25DET from their skylines and cefiro's and dropping in the SR20DET. 'tis true. go to http://velocity.isfaster.com/drift/cars/cars.htm
so ask the question: "what do i want? drag strip power or handling power?"
the RB also has more torque than the SR. that is true, and it works beautifully in the skyline. but for the S14, it has TOO much torque. the car will be unenjoyable to drive casually. yes, you can mod the RB25 to beyond 600 hp and it will rock. i love skylines and want one. but to hybrid the S14 with the RB25 is unwise. it is overkill. and the engine alone is too expensive UNMODDED. remember, the unmodded RB25DET will "only" put out about 280 hp stock. you can mod an SR to about 400 hp for the price of only buying a stock RB -- it is also an economic issue. but, of course, it is always a matter of opinion. the tantalizing possibilities of having a monster engine are not always what they seem. use caution with this one.
Well everyone has their own opinion. My opinion is from what I have read the RB20DET is crap. The SR20DET is a great motor, but I want something different. The RB25DET is great because it can put over 500hp on stock internals. I have talked with the people at "unstable hybrids" and they seem to know what they are talking about, but their prices are way to high. The best deal that I have found for the RB25DET Installation Package is - $5,750 ( engine, installation, intake, downpipe, fuel pump, exhaust ). That is well worth the price to me. The SR from what I have read will only hold 350hp on stock internals. Again everyone has their own opinion and in my opinion the RB25DET is the best engine for your money.
As for the people swapping RB's for SR's. The only one I noticed on that page was a guy swaping the RB20 for the SR20. That is not a bad idea. Like I said from what I have read the RB20DET is crap. SO if you want an engine that is better than your KA go with any of these they are all great engine's, but If you want an engine that can kill the SR go with what I am doing get the RB25DET. I am getting the swap done in Mid June. I have a 95 240SX SE.
please tell us when you swap it out what is really going on. my view with the SR is to NOT keep the stock internals whatsoever. that is not any fun! the goal is to mod the SR quite far, whilst keeping the BALANCE of the S14 stable and agile and appropriate for autocrossing and time-trialing. i have been told that the RB engine will make the S14 handle like sh*t by a mechanic who works on RB's all day long. and is far costlier to mod and adapt. i am more into handling and driving than brute force benchmarks. just because you can mod and engine to "blah blah blah horsepower" doesn't mean jack sh*t.
i mean, even a newbie will know that the RB can be modded to extreme horsepower levels. this is no secret. and that is fine but not really the point to me. it doesn't mean much if the car is going to act like sh*t -- it is counter-intuitive to "tuning." like, for example, i am not necessarily impressed if someone puts an 800 horsepower V-8 in a ford fiesta. it is quite a feat, yes. moreover, with enough money, you can mod a go-kart to accept a helicopter jet engine. but the car will not be much of a driver. that is all i am saying.
but please let us know. let the education continue. spend the time and money for us. maybe i am paranoid for no reason and creating unwarranted hysteria. it would impress me more to hear that you were getting an r32 Skyline with the RB25DET or RB26DETT. that would raise an eyebrow.
also, this debate is never-ending. and i do not expect any last word on it. there will be those who are totally for it, and those who are not. to me, you are inviting more trouble that it is worth.
I'd imagine the RB would really throw off the weight distribution compared to the SR. If you want ultimate power, the RB is the way to go. The way I see it though, well, my preference is road course racing so I'd go with an SR (lighter, etc). Another thing, if some part breaks on the RB, you'll have to order a part from Japan or Australia or something. Being that we have the SR20DE here in the states, you can get all of the parts for the DET here.
And concerning the weight thing, the JGTC GT500 Supras use Toyota's 2.0L motor(can't remember the designation). All in the name of weight savings.
k, this is for BONZELITE and BLACKBELTCLUB99
Im goinjg to admit it, i am a newb at this import stuff, thats why im in here chatting it up, as expected.
anyways, i know wayyyyyyyyy tooo much bout cars and muscle car power, so in this case, its not like im not a gear head. anyways, to my point
i have to agree with bonzy cuz the 240sx/silvia come stock with a straight four and are fairly light. and on the other hand, theres this bigger, longer, heavier, 4 wheel drive car, the skyline. nissan has done an amazing job creating this beast in blue, but you have to also keep in mind that the guys up at the head office where they talk about how and what to do to a car, they know what they are talking about,
now, blackbeltclub99, a straight six, 4 wheel drive, and 3500 pounds, wow, i mean, ok in proportion, it sounds like it would be around the same as the 240sx/silvia tuned up a bit. but when you take that heart and power out of the blue beast, and put it in a small (sorry for using this word, but its an expression) rodent, VRRRRRRRRROOMMMMMMMMM, too much vroom. too much torque, as it is the skylines handling and turning is iffy cuz of the sheer power output. and when you drop that into a 240, your handling is gonna go out the window, i dont care what kind of tires you have to claw the ground. 18" diameter, 18" wide, your not gonna have enough fun out of it as you want. your gonna be driving this car on the road i assume. so you might as well go for some handling and and boost up the engine you carry now, it soudns like an amazing idea, i wanted to do it at first but its just not worth it.
right now i drive a 98 malibu, when chevy manufactured these cars, they didnt make brakes for the specific car cuz they didnt know how it was gonna sell, so they didnt want to spend the extra money there, so they took the brakes off the cavaliers and they threw them on the malibu. but what they didnt keep in mind is that the cav is a I4 where as the malibu is a V6 3.1 litre. so basically i have to get the brakes fixed about every 6 months. this is just an example of what your gonna have to deal with. so if your gonna do that make sure you upgradde your braking system first, do all the necessary changes to skeleton of the car before you change its heart.
BRAKES
SUSPENSION
TIRED
PROPERLY RATIOED DIFFERENTIAL
stuff like that, any ways like you guys have been saying, its all opinion
oh one last thing, i dont know too much bout the engine aspect of the silvias and the skylines, so if you guys have a few seconds could you reply with engine codes for the cars, and the year spans ?
S13
S14
S15
R32
R33
R34
and what tranny is comapatible with each
im such a newb i know, but at least i know how the engines work and im open to imports, oh and one last thing
are any of the 240's changable to AWD ???
thx a lot guys
i, too, wanted the RB swapped into my S14. it beckoned me. but i researched it more and more. and the more i did, the more my fantasy was dampened. i had to accept that it would PROBABLY be for ME not what i really wanted. no matter how hard it was to realize, i had to accept it as the evidence pointed to the SR. i will wait to have the RB in an actual skyline someday.
and i do not believe that the Silvia/240 platform came with or can be made to be AWD like the Skyline. however, the HICAS system, the four-wheel-steering is available. but another story: talking to Klay (the mechanic at MotorEx) as i did, he mentioned that, too. he said that it is not uncommon for people who buy the GTR skyline to remove and/or disable the hicas system as it is more annoying than what most people are willing to adapt to. yes, it DOES help in cornering, as that is it's entire reason for existing. but he cited an incident whereby a guy, fresh out of the parking lot in his "new" skyline, wrecked it around a corner as he thought that the car was oversteering (sliding the rear out) when in fact it was simply the hicas assisting him. so in a panic, the guy went to "correct" the drift, which was an illusion, and he f***ed the car up.
also, to convert a Silvia to AWD --- why bother? you might as well, then, if you are willing to do such a radical act, wait ever longer and save ever more money to just buy a skyline. if you have gotten to the point of modding it to AWD, then why have you chosen an S14? you must have money to burn at that point. plus maintenance on that? who wants it? buy a WRX, then. or Audi Quattro.
also, the S15 conversion is far more difficult than the S14 Silvia conversion. less things match up with the S14 to S15 swap. the 'cleanest' swap for the S14/240 is to get an S14 Silvia half-cut with the RB20DET and get a VLSD if it is not already present. use the k.i.s.s. method.
also, the S15 conversion is far more difficult than the S14 Silvia conversion. less things match up with the S14 to S15 swap. the 'cleanest' swap for the S14/240 is to get an S14 Silvia half-cut with the SR20DET and get a VLSD if it is not already present. use the k.i.s.s. method.
[quote]
what do yo u mean by the S15 is more difficult, less things match up ?
and the cleanest swap fro the S14/240 is to get a S14 Silvia half-cut?
explain half-cut, havent heard the term
i dont mean to be a neusence, jus trying to learn
Linear Mode
