Originally posted by dwill9578
Red Se-r from Houston, keep tellin yourself that a almost stock ser can take a spec-v! there is no way that is possibly espically for 2003 with revised tranny. Not even to mention the handling diffrence are huge, you gripe about tire traction with your all seasons but go on to say that the two cars handle the same???Plain and simply the diffrences are huge, the se-r is a limited edition with a couple bolt on's, I mean they even offer a auto!! not a drivers car!!!
first off im sorry this is so long but it needs to be said.
well lets take a look at this here for a moment. when you factor in the differences in weight, differences in power loss, rim sizes, (the 16's weigh less than the 17's and lighter rims mean less rotational inertia for the engine to fight) the gear ratios, yes even the 2003 tranny, and do the math . the over all stright line performance is almost identical stock. its only a couple tenths difference at most. then when you bolt on a free flowing exhaust to the base se-r it sees a larger hp gain over all
than the spec does with the same exhaust mod. (contrary to popular belief this is why the base se-r has 10 hp and 5 ft/ lbs less than the spec. its the restrictive exhaust, dyno results have proven this.) add to that a lower power loss through the drive train means this. more power to the wheels is available for the base se-r than the spec. then when you look at the suspensions everything is the same exact same, except the springs. the spec v's springs, that are only 15% stiffer than the Base SE-R, this is not really much of a difference. if you read up on them, the differences in the maximum lateral G's and slalom the two cars can pull. they are negligible in difference, the numbers don't lie. So it comes down to driver skill.
now yes the spec will out pull the base se-r at speed in 5th and 6th only becuse of the gear ratios, but they both have the same top speed so whats the difference. (you have to shift more often in a spec thats what)
And no auto cannot come close to either the 5 speed or 6 speed SE-R's due to its large ammount of power loss through its tranny.
now lets look at the tires for a moment, first and formost understand this. both the contisport and firehawk gta 02 tires are oem(cheap). what this means is that nissan put the best all around tire they could get for the cheapest cost. so neither are going to be overly impressive tires to begin with.
now the firehawk tire is not listed or considered a standard all season tire as you put it. it actually falls under the performance tire catagory with its specs and H speed rating (the actual max needed for our cars due to top speed availability.
Yes the contisport is technically a high performance tire, only because of its z speed rating and required construction fot this rating. the softer tire compound does give it better handling than the firehawk yes but at a price.
both tires have their good points (few) and bad points (many). you ask most people who have driven on either tire and they will tell you the same thing. that both of these tires suck. why? because they are cheap tires, plain and simple. if you look at the reviews of both tires you will see that it is the same, 4 out of 5 owners did not like the conti's or
the firehawks for the very same reasons. a very poor wet/snow traction rating, short tire life, harsh ride quality, excessive road noise.
yes the contis do grip better than the firehawks but when in the hands of an inexperienced driver this wont lend much of an advantage. the inexperienced driver will tend to repeatedly push the tires past their capeable limits, creating an unsafe driving condition.
now take a slightly lower rated tire in the hands of a driver ho is experienced and he/she will know where the limits are and push them to that level and seldom past.
over all like i said the performance differences between the Spec V and Base SE-R is as i stated before, are negligible. its the goodies the spec v gets that attracts most buyers to it (sales tactic) and make people think its a far superior car, when its really not much better over all when you look at the numbers.
im not at all saying the spec v isnt worth buying, but if you do the research as i have you will find that the base se-r is offered for people like myself who didnt want a flashy interior, higher insurance, and a higher theft risk car. but do want very similar overall performance abilities for less money.