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Old Jul 31st, 2004, 11:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from Vietnam in 1971 and repeated in the book "Tour of Duty." We think those cast an aspersion on all those living and dead, from our unit and other units in Vietnam. We think that he knew he was lying when he made the charges, and we think that they're unsupportable. We intend to bring the truth about that to the American people.

We believe, based on our experience with him, that he is totally unfit to be the Commander-in-Chief."

-- John O'Neill, spokesman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth



I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States... This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust -- all absolute tenets of command. His biography, 'Tour of Duty,' by Douglas Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even a most casual review of this biography. He arrived in-country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days, and with his specious medals secure, Lt.(jg) Kerry bugged out and began his infamous betrayal of all United States forces in the Vietnam War. That included our soldiers, our marines, our sailors, our coast guardsmen, our airmen, and our POWs. His leadership within the so-called Vietnam Veterans Against the War and testimony before Congress in 1971 charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain an undocumented but nevertheless meticulous stain on the men and women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit for command."

-- Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, USN (retired), chairman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth


"During Lt.(jg) Kerry's tour, he was under my command for two or three specific operations, before his rapid exit. Trust, loyalty and judgment are the key, operative words. His turncoat performance in 1971 in his grubby shirt and his medal-tossing escapade, coupled with his slanderous lines in the recent book portraying us that served, including all POWs and MIAs, as murderous war criminals, I believe, will have a lasting effect on all military veterans and their families..

Kerry would be described as devious, self-absorbed, manipulative, disdain for authority, disruptive, but the most common phrase that you'd hear is 'requires constant supervision.'"

-- Captain Charles Plumly, USN (retired)



"Thirty-five years ago, many of us fell silent when we came back to the stain of sewage that Mr. Kerry had thrown on us, and all of our colleagues who served over there. I don't intend to be silent today or ever again. Our young men and women who are serving deserve no less."

-- Andrew Horne


"I signed that letter because I, too felt a deep sense of betrayal that someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer in the United States Navy would abandon his group here (points to group photo) to join this group here (points to VVAW protest photo), and come home and attempt to rally the American public against the effort that this group was so valiantly pursuing.

It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major battle. We lost the war at home... and at home, John Kerry was the Field General."

-- Robert Elder



"My daughters and my wife have read portions of the book 'Tour of Duty.' They wanted to know if I took part in the atrocities described. I do not believe the things that are described happened.

Let me give you an example. In Brinkley's book, on pages 170 to 171, about something called the 'Bo De massacre' on November 24th of 1968... In Kerry's description of the engagement, first he claimed there were 17 servicemen that were wounded. Three of us were wounded. I was the first..."

-- Joseph Ponder



"While in Cam Rahn Bay, he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination missions, and one special skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted Lieutenant. The briefing from some members of that crew the morning after revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt.(jg) Kerry informed me of a wound -- he showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was later reported to me that Lt.(jg) Kerry had fired an M-79, and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recall being advised of any medical treatment, and probably said something like 'Forget it.' He later received a Purple Heart for that scratch, and I have no information as to how or whom.

Lt.(jg) Kerry was allowed to return to the good old USA after 4 months and a few days in-country, and then he proceeded to betray his former shipmates, calling them criminals who were committing atrocities. Today we are here to tell you that just the opposite is true. Our rules of engagement were quite strict, and the officers and men of Swift often did not even return fire when they were under fire if there was a possibility that innocent people -- fishermen, in a lot of cases -- might be hurt or injured. The rules and the good intentions of the men increased the possibility that we might take friendly casualties."

-- Commander Grant Hibbard, USN (retired)




"Lt. Kerry returned home from the war to make some outrageous statements and allegations... of numerous criminal acts in violation of the law of war were cited by Kerry, disparaging those who had fought with honor in that conflict. Had war crimes been committed by US forces in Vietnam? Yes, but such acts were few and far between. Yet Lt. Kerry have numerous speeches and testimony before Congress inappropriately leading his audiences to believe that what was only an anomaly in the conduct of America's fighting men was an epidemic. Furthermore, he suggested that they were being encouraged to violated the law of war by those within the chain of command.

Very specific orders, on file at the Vietnam archives at Texas Tech University, were issued by my father [Admiral Elmo Zumwalt] and others in his chain of command instructing subordinates to act responsibly in preserving the life and property of Vietnamese civilians."

-- Lt. Col. James Zumwalt, USMC (retired)



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Old Jul 31st, 2004, 11:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A bunch of medals dont make a damn hero...Im tired of hearing that shit. Not to mention he only served in Vietnam for 4 months and three days...
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Old Jul 31st, 2004, 11:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old Aug 1st, 2004, 12:04 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Now thats what I'm talking about. Great info. Good to see someone has done some real research and can back it up. You da man Nuskool
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A bunch of medals dont make a damn hero...Im tired of hearing that shit. Not to mention he only served in Vietnam for 4 months and three days...

ide rather have a president that actually sees war, rather than being kicked out...thats all...im not reading this thread anymore...just cause a bunch of regular americans say he shouldnt be president, doesnt mean shit. i cant read this. im over these political debates online. ill listen to facts, rather than opinions of other americans
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Old Aug 1st, 2004, 12:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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ide rather have a president that actually sees war, rather than being kicked out...thats all...im not reading this thread anymore...just cause a bunch of regular americans say he shouldnt be president, doesnt mean shit. i cant read this. im over these political debates online. ill listen to facts, rather than opinions of other americans

Like the fact that Kerry voted for the war, then voted against the bill that would fund our troops better for war, then says that we should have never gone to war in the first place?
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Old Aug 1st, 2004, 12:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Like the fact that Kerry voted for the war, then voted against the bill that would fund our troops better for war, then says that we should have never gone to war in the first place?
Yeah. I'm still trying to understand that. If there is anyone who can please step forward and help the rest of us out.

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Old Aug 1st, 2004, 07:36 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I have 11 different medals for my time in service so far does that make me a hero???????
maybe I should run for president
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Old Aug 1st, 2004, 11:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Thats 4 months and 3 days longer than you've served in any combat situation. Fundies love to talk shit especially when they can sense their idiotic dogma collapsing all around them.

alright smart ass im only 18 still in high school. I probly will be join some branch of service when I get out.....Nice try...Next time and know something before you post it
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Old Aug 1st, 2004, 11:15 AM   #10 (permalink)
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ide rather have a president that actually sees war, rather than being kicked out...thats all...im not reading this thread anymore...just cause a bunch of regular americans say he shouldnt be president, doesnt mean shit. i cant read this. im over these political debates online. ill listen to facts, rather than opinions of other americans
He wasnt kicked out its been proven over and over again enough with that false acusation......He served his time and then left...
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ohI'm sorry I forgot about combat experience.I have served 1 year in korea(which really isn't combat unless you count fighting hangovers every weekend) and 1 year so far in Iraq during actually combat and I will be serving another year to 18 months there again starting the begining of next year so that will be at least 24 months in a combat zone...that's like 4 tours in veitnam standards of 6 month tours



Apachewoolf hero medal winner combat experienced and running for president

damn this should not be an option when it comes to being president .what should count is how has he done so far politicaly in his past
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Just read one and you will understand the rest. Its that Kerry is not fit to lead a country he is a giant PUSSY demanding medals for band aid wounds
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