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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 01:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My newest wild idea

Well.... I was talking to my friend who works at the auto parts store and mentioned I want another AMC. He told me of a guy selling a 1977 AMC Hornet AMX for $500! What the hell is that you say? Well...it's a Hornet hatchback with a special suspension and body package that was produced in very limited numbers. Now although it is rare, it is an AMC and therefore has practically no monitary value. So, I got to thinking....instead of using my left over 360 V8 from my Javelin project, why not build a twin turbo inline six for it and couple it ot a 5 speed manual trans? Originally, I was thinking RB25DEt or 2JZGTTE, but then I realized that the highest evolutionary point of the pushrod straight six is the Jeep 4.0-which is a direct decendant of the 258 L6 the car came with! In stock form, it has 190 hp, 80 hp more than the old 258. Now, if I can get a turbo manifold made for it and a front mount intercooler, I could theoretically have a killer 400 hp L6 for very little cash. I was also thinking of seeing if a factory turbo L6 car has a stainless steel tubular headder, because then I could splice it to the original Jeep Stainless manifold with a TIG welder. I would paint the car snot green and have the loudest BOV I could find just to screw with people. It also has a 108 in wheelbase , which makes it a candidate for a controllable drift car.Well...a better candidate than my current 96 in wheelbase AMC Spirit. Any thoughts?
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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 01:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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isnt the frame kinda heavy? not that i know much of anything about classic cars
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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 01:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You should meet my brother. He wants to put a 115 Suzuki Swift GTi engine into his Geo Metro cause itd be a sleeper. Thats right, he thinks 115 hp is a sleeper. The swap costs $2500. he's stupid.

Me, I wanna build a 400 pound dune buggy powered by a Suzuki 3 banger.
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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 02:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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isnt the frame kinda heavy? not that i know much of anything about classic cars
Frame? An AMC Hornet, Spirit, Concord, Gremlin, Eagle, Javelin, AMX...well...you get the idea...is unibody. a six cyl Hornet only weighs like 2-300 lbs more than a S13. It's about the same size as a Fox Mustang and is heavier due to being made of thicker metal than newer cars that are made using high carbon steels. This is because the newer steels are more rigid than older, mild steel is, thus allowing it to be made thinner for a given strength. The biggest problem with newer steels though is that they are more brittle and have a shorter fatigue life than the old stuff did.This is why Fox Mustangs have a stress crack problem in the torque boxes and floorpans when used heavily without reinforcement.Either way, I still think it owuld be cool to see such an odd old car being used in drifting or drag racing with an unusual engine combination like that. Oh, and the earlier cars built before crash testing forced more reinforcement were much lighter.For example, a similar sized V8 1966 Rambler American with 290 V8 only weighed 2600 lbs! Alternatively, I have considered putting a more modern chassis under such a car, something like maybe an S13, to allow for a great handling/accelerating car with sheetmetal I like better than anything made recently.
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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 02:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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what's the rod stroke ratio and compression ratio lookin like on that jeep motor?
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Old Apr 14th, 2004, 03:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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what's the rod stroke ratio and compression ratio lookin like on that jeep motor?
The rod/ stroke ratio is 1.79:1 and the stock compression is 8.8:1, which should be pretty good with a turbo! Additionally, the bore 3.88 in. which can be bored to 4 in with a block that passes a sonic check.The stroke is 3.413 in. Also, the engine has a 6.125 in rod length, which is very good for high RPM's as it reduces side loading on the piston skirts. I could also destroke it with the crank from a 1965 Rambler American's 199 straight six, but can't find the stroke on that yet.This engine would probably be nasty in a lightweight 1966 American, but my idea started with the Hornet.
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My buddy Nick is a 400lb man and wants to put a supercharged 302 V8 mustang motor into his geo metro hatch.
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