And since when does a film makers stock accounts get such critism? I don't see you looking into Speilberg's stock report...
If Speilberg were in the same position of doing things he says is bad and it was all over the news, then YES, I would be discrediting him as well.
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This is because you want to discredit a guy that made a movie bashing Bush,,, period.. You can't have it both ways.,,If you're going to dish it you have to be able to take it...
That's where you are wrong...don't assume that is what I mean by posting in this stupid thread. Nowhere in my post am I putting Moore in the hotseat because of Bush, nowhere. I'm not the type of person that would do that because I don't give a flying fuck what MM has to do with Bush.
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So he has mutal funds that have those companies on the list...so fucking what.... Is anyone DEAD from his lie?
Once again, I don't see a correlation (with what I have said) of Bush with this thread OTHER THAN Moore made 9/11 about him...9/11 isn't what the story is about, nor is Bush.
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Oh and I enjoy life just fine... It's easier and more enjoyable when you take the blinders off...give it a try sometime.
I WAS NOT turning this thread into a political-against-Moore-clusterfuck...and my reply wasn't directed at you.
Give me any issue any day of the week, not necessarily political, and I will give my opinion. In regards to THIS THREAD though, I was not being political with my views.
Got that?
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...and I'm sorry you're in a bad mood tonight. I just didn't see the point in bringing Bush and the "dead soldiers" speech in an otherwise non-political thread.
Sure the Bush admin was brought up but nowhere has it been mentioned that Bush is a saint compared to Moore.
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If Speilberg were in the same position of doing things he says is bad and it was all over the news, then YES, I would be discrediting him as well.
That's where you are wrong...don't assume that is what I mean by posting in this stupid thread. Nowhere in my post am I putting Moore in the hotseat because of Bush, nowhere. I'm not the type of person that would do that because I don't give a flying fuck what MM has to do with Bush.
Once again, I don't see a correlation (with what I have said) of Bush with this thread OTHER THAN Moore made 9/11 about him...9/11 isn't what the story is about, nor is Bush.
I WAS NOT turning this thread into a political-against-Moore-clusterfuck...and my reply wasn't directed at you.
Give me any issue any day of the week, not necessarily political, and I will give my opinion. In regards to THIS THREAD though, I was not being political with my views.
Got that?
No reason to yell and be mean.... lol
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Non-Political?...hahaha That's cute
Sorry but how can this thread not be political ?.. if MM made a movie promoting Bush it wouldn't be an issue.. right?
Then again I go back to... He is a movie maker.. Who cares
OMG he lied.... REALLY.....I guess it's a shame that his lies or misrepresentation didn't cause
2000+ DEAD and DYING.
Thousands of wounded in military hospitals.
Tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians dead and dying.
Not to mention what should be considered an act of treason during war for outting an intelligence operative.
But hey some filmakers stock report is more important...
You guys need a reality check on what's important....
As far as the war, we've covered that topic. You have your opinion, which I think is baseless. I have my opinion, which you find to be factless and heartless. I don't even know why you brought it up.
Outting an intelligence op? No one even knows if she was or wasn't. It's now a well known fact that he didn't commit a crime. How can you be guilty of trying to cover up a crime that didn't happen?
Oh, and by the way, what happend to Sandy Berger for putting documents in his pants that would damage the Clintion admin? Oh, nothing at all. A week of media coverage and not a peep since.
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People that blindly supports one party..then bitch about a movie/s... sounds pretty dumb to me.
No one on the right seems to care if the Bush's and Cheney's owns oil stocks and big holdings in Haliburton...yet somehow a film maker is worthy of this hypocritical bitching?
Like I said, a reality check is in order..
How does this always get through back to Bush and the war. No one cares bout the stocks as many others own them too. These stocks make people good money and money drives most people, not all. Secondly MM has made many other movies that weren't directed at Bush. All his movies are a bunch of bias crap. Dont think i am tryin to support bush, cuz i know hes a moron and i know you dont beleive the reason for being in Iraq, but you have to get over it. Or get people to protest against it. You will not get remorse from me. i am not the type of person that wil give people remorse. Anytime a person goes into the military, they know there is a chance of war and they know there is a chance they could die. It sucks, but that is reality. If you play with weapons, someone is bound to get killed. Secondly, yes 2000 are dead, but 500 of those were not in combat. yes it sucks, but what are WE as americans going to do bout it. People need to stop complaining and do soemthing bout it.
Sorry for the rant, dont take offense, cuz im not trying to start a bloody war.
MM is a hypocrit. Its simple. Hes a douche bag and the definition of Left Wing Liberal. That is my OPINION (except it or not)
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...Anytime a person goes into the military, they know there is a chance of war and they know there is a chance they could die...
I believe you're referring to those not joining the National Guard. Those who joined the Reserves knew they could get called into active duty.
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I believe you're referring to those not joining the National Guard.
Umm...National Guard? Can you imagine just for one minute that the US mainland is attacked by a country...Japan, China, whatever...but not in the same example as Pearl Harbor but rather the US is invaded. Do you really think the National Guard still shouldn't be involved? What do you suppose the words 'national' & 'guard' means exactly?
Those that get into the military period, not based on what branch, are subject to DEFENDING the US.
I am starting to see a lot of stories where people are getting into the military for the 'college benefits' and they totally oppose war. Talk about using the system to get what they want.
I served in the Air Force and I was damn proud to know I was defending the US in what little way I did if at all...if I would have been called to Iraq, I would have been more than happy.
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I am starting to see a lot of stories where people are getting into the military for the 'college benefits' and they totally oppose war. Talk about using the system to get what they want.
That surprises me, because I have not met one person who honestly got into the military for reasons OTHER than college benefits (Since Vietnam, that is). You might say they are dishonorable, ungrateful assholes who are only interested in themselves, but it also begs the question: Why is there so much apathy regarding joining the military?
Why is there so much apathy regarding joining the military?
Not so much apathy as 'Why join the military when there is no threat'?
You really don't know how many that have joined since the Vietnam war were ONLY for the college benefits.
I knew plenty of people when I was in that were happy to serve their country.
The Vietnam war is a moot point though since the draft was still in effect at that time...of course people were going to bitch about a war that the government FORCED them into out of their civilian lives. In reflection, most that have joined the military only got in under the false pretense that they wouldn't go to war. I really don't know what went through their minds but I find it ignorant for people to do so.
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Hell, i have had friends go into the military under the pretense of knowing they might go to war. they didn't go to get the college benefit as they didn't want to go to college in the first place, but if they did, the oppertunity would present itself. they went to gather experience and to serve their country. Dont sound like a tv commercial in the only reason to go into the services is for the college payback.. In fact i just had a friend go into the Navy because he alwasy dreamed of being a Seal. He knows he would go to war, but he wants to accomplish his dream
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Outting an intelligence op? No one even knows if she was or wasn't. It's now a well known fact that he didn't commit a crime. How can you be guilty of trying to cover up a crime that didn't happen?
Bwahahahahahahahaha. You're funny.
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Umm...National Guard? Can you imagine just for one minute that the US mainland is attacked by a country...Japan, China, whatever...but not in the same example as Pearl Harbor but rather the US is invaded. Do you really think the National Guard still shouldn't be involved? What do you suppose the words 'national' & 'guard' means exactly?
That's exactally what I was talking about. Defending U.S. soil on U.S. soil.
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Those that get into the military period, not based on what branch, are subject to DEFENDING the US.
I am starting to see a lot of stories where people are getting into the military for the 'college benefits' and they totally oppose war. Talk about using the system to get what they want.
I'm sure the Chaplins agree with you.
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I served in the Air Force and I was damn proud to know I was defending the US in what little way I did if at all...if I would have been called to Iraq, I would have been more than happy.
So you did the job you signed up for. I know of 5 in the Guard who signed up to protect this country if need be, but I have yet seen one who knew signing up for the Guard was going to have them shipped over-seas to die on foreign soil. Until recently, the Guard was around to help in national crisises (floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc).
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That's exactally what I was talking about. Defending U.S. soil on U.S. soil.
Let's see... http://www.arng.army.mil/PUBLICATION...t/arngsupp.htm ...what about that link most interests me?
This ---> "Not since World War II have so many Soldiers been activated for wars. The Army National Guard demonstrated its responsiveness by providing ready units in support of numerous overseas missions throughout 2003...blah blah blah"
The 1st sentence says that something like this HAS HAPPENED BEFORE...as in, this isn't the first time.
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I'm sure the Chaplins agree with you.
This is where you don't know what you're talking about. Do you know what rank a Chaplin is in the military? He isn't a peon little enlisted ranking...Chaplins are usually Captains and above. Can you guess what that means?...they are officers. You don't go into the military as an officer hoping to get college benefits...because officers are already have or will get all the college they need before they are out of training.
I have not personally talked to any Chaplins about 'why' they enlisted but I would assume they would say it was their God's wish that they do so...to carry on his mission, blah blah blah.
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So you did the job you signed up for. I know of 5 in the Guard who signed up to protect this country if need be, but I have yet seen one who knew signing up for the Guard was going to have them shipped over-seas to die on foreign soil. Until recently, the Guard was around to help in national crisises (floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, etc).
Please see my first statement above with the link.
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OK, I never said Chaplins join for the college benefits and I know they enter after seminary (sp) school so they enter as officers. I may have not come across clearly, but I was using the Chaplins as an example of those who may not support the war. And that's very correct, not since WW 2 blah blah blah. Right now I'm trying to find a way to compare WW 2 with the situation in Iraq.
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