in the US its not illegal to imports car parts and its not illegal to assemble those parts into a vehicle etc.
A skyline kit car is a very broad term and does not constitute an actual kit car in its truest meaning.
Dissassembling a vehicle for the purpose of importation using the Kit Car policy is illegal:
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Originally Posted by EPA Kit Car Policy
Motor vehicles must comply with the Clean Air Act and may not be disassembled nor purchased in a disassembled form for the purposes of evading the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations.
__________________ 1990 Skyline GTE/S-t 4 Door Updated 6 Mar
Swapped out RB20E with RB20DET / Trans converted from Auto to SR20DET's 5-Speed / Installed Type M 5-lugs and brakes, R32 GTR rims and 2-Dr rear end (Tail lights & bumper)
1994 Isuzu AMU: US Spec Amigo with JDM Mysterious Utility nerf bars and hatchback hardtop.
Dissassembling a vehicle for the purpose of importation using the Kit Car policy is illegal:
Your taking the term to litterally there fella....its just a way to describe it, but there is a little more to it than just that.. But i assure you the vehicle is no way illegal and will be a state legal car.
Dissassembling a vehicle for the purpose of importation using the Kit Car policy is illegal:
you have to love this clown,here some guy from the US who lives abroad and never imported anything into the US.I guess he thinks cause he from US that means he should have credibility on importatin into US when he never did any of it.man hes worst then those 15 year olds think they know how to import a car cause they cut and paste from web sites.
well im going to stoop to your level and do cut and pasting http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...ges/page2.html
A disassembled vehicle that is shipped without an engine and transmission is treated for importation purposes not as a motor vehicle, but instead as an assemblage of motor vehicle equipment items. Such an assemblage can lawfully be imported into the U.S., provided any equipment included in the assemblage that is subject to FMVSS, but was not originally manufactured to comply with that FMVSS or was not so certified by its original manufacturer, is removed from the assemblage prior to entry into the U.S. Equipment items that are subject to the FMVSS include tires, rims, brake hoses, brake fluid, seat belt assemblies, glazing materials, and lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment.
If a vehicle is shipped without its engine and drive train, it would be treated, for importation purposes, not as a motor vehicle but instead as an assemblage of motor vehicle equipment items. In this instance, the vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form, which covers motor vehicle equipment not covered by a standard, or manufactured before the date that an applicable standard takes effect. Any items included in the assemblage that are subject to an FMVSS (brake hoses, brake fluid, glazing, lighting equipment, seat belt assemblies, tires, rims) that were not manufactured to comply with the applicable standard, and/or were not so certified by their original manufacturer, must be removed from the assemblage and exported or destroyed before entry
6. Motor Vehicle Titling and Registration
NHTSA is not responsible for regulating the operation of motor vehicles on public roads in the U.S. or for titling or registering motor vehicles for such operation. That is instead the responsibility of the individual States. Some States may require a manufacturer's certificate of origin (MCO) or manufacturer's statement of origin (MSO) to register a new motor vehicle. These are not federally required documents. NHTSA, therefore, is not in a position to offer guidance to prospective vehicle manufacturers or vehicle purchasers on obtaining a needed MCO or MSO. Consumers with questions regarding these documents should direct those questions to their State’s Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV).
that Kit car crap,i guess you never seen a title of a Kit car here in the states.there is 2 types of titles i seen that are givin to those cars,assembled from parts or a regular state title.when people import these cars,they import them as parts and there assembled from parts.man just keep your mouth shut cause only thing that comes out of it is crap ,and for someone who lives over sea`s the best you can do is a 4 dr gts 32 and you put in a RB20det come on
stay on automotive forums,cause those dumb asses will believe anyone and maybe there you can get the respect you want
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I'm glad that someone else spoke before me. Talk about hitting the nail on the head Celm. Just make sure that I am the first to be notified when the traveling circus is in town.
any time guys it was my pleasure.this clown went on a few forums and called me a scam when i can take him and show him 8 jDM cars all under 1 roof i imported right now!! and 2 of the car i have there is 1 other in US and the other may be the only one here
The two paragraphs posted about importation are two separate purposes.
The first one applies, Importation of a disassembled vehicle, the actual second paragraph for that is this: If the assemblage is shipped with an engine and power train (even if those components are not installed), it would be regarded for importation purposes as a motor vehicle, and would have to be either manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS, and be so certified by its original manufacturer, in the form of a label permanently affixed to the vehicle, or be determined eligible for importation by NHTSA and be imported by an RI or by a person who has a contract with an RI to bring the vehicle into compliance with all applicable FMVSS after importation.
Being shipped with an engine & powertrain is what is happening, even if they are on seperate containers, ships, etc.
The second paragraph you put in (mentions the HS-7) is for the importation of a Vehicle for Parts (NOT to be used on the road!)
Additionally, if you remove the items subject to FMVSS that are not complient, (as you are signing that you have when you fill out the form) it leaves you missing some important parts. ie. the doors, Fuel system, seats, etc.
Now, that leaves the engine, which under the way you like to import it (3520-1): code W - non-chassis-mounted engine to be used in a light-duty vehicle or light-duty truck or motorcycle which is currently covered by an EPA certificate or will be covered by an EPA certificate prior to introduction into commerce.
Since it is not currently covered by an EPA certificate, that leaves you with this: an EPA form 3520-1 must be filed at the port of entry and the vehicle imported by an eligible ICI who must ensure that the kit car body/chassis complies with all applicable emission requirements. At the present time, there are no ICIs eligible to import kit cars.
As far as titling, we've been over that, I know that vehicles can be imported the way mentioned above, and I know that MANY states will title any car without even looking at it or what is should be titled as. I know Florida for example has Kit Car, Assembled from Parts, and Rebuilt as title options... I also know they rely on you to mark the box and give you a regular title if you don't.
I have never doubted that you have non-comforming vehicles in the US. What people who consider buying these vehicles need to know is that they are not road legal. If they are operating them and some law enforcement agency catches that they are not, they are going to have the vehicle confiscated and pay large fines.
I have imported/exported several vehicles and rolling chassis to the US, among other countries, which is one of the reasons I am overseas. And ALL of them have been legal, I don't need loopholes and schemes, like some. I, unlike Evolution Imports, don't have to tell Mr. Jack Mclaughlin from the EPA that the imported vehicles have "Ford Focus" engines.
I'm sorry you don't like my project car, it's a nice sleeper though. I know the TVR, Lotus Elise and Audi TT's here don't like a 4 door passing them. And the nice thing about keeping the RB20 varient, is that it stays a 500 series reg in Japan, alot easier to keep road legal there.
__________________ 1990 Skyline GTE/S-t 4 Door Updated 6 Mar
Swapped out RB20E with RB20DET / Trans converted from Auto to SR20DET's 5-Speed / Installed Type M 5-lugs and brakes, R32 GTR rims and 2-Dr rear end (Tail lights & bumper)
1994 Isuzu AMU: US Spec Amigo with JDM Mysterious Utility nerf bars and hatchback hardtop.
Last edited by GTES-t : Feb 3rd, 2006 at 08:49 PM.
It has been a few years since I titled a vehicle for Florida, so things may have changed. But the application still lists Kit Car and Rebuilt in section 3: http://www3.hsmv.state.fl.us/Intrane...lpak/82040.pdf
Again, they rely on the applicant to check the boxes, and if they don't they get a regular title.
And sorry, I have no reason to show proof of the vehicles I have imported. I personally don't care if you believe me or not. The proof is all on NHTSA's site that they have been legal, they have all been on the eligibility list, over 25 yr rule, parts without any FMVSS items, or US spec w/ required Certificate of Origin stating it meets standards.
The only exception was the biggest pain, reimporting an '82 Camaro from Japan that did not have it's US title. Even with the VIN (most states did not keep databases at that time) there was no record of it being US or not. So it required an RI (and $2000) to verify it meet US standards.
__________________ 1990 Skyline GTE/S-t 4 Door Updated 6 Mar
Swapped out RB20E with RB20DET / Trans converted from Auto to SR20DET's 5-Speed / Installed Type M 5-lugs and brakes, R32 GTR rims and 2-Dr rear end (Tail lights & bumper)
1994 Isuzu AMU: US Spec Amigo with JDM Mysterious Utility nerf bars and hatchback hardtop.
If your a kit car manufacturer outside of the usa what your talking about does not apply.
Now lets get back onto the topic rather than a bitching contest of who knows what as it does not present the correct facts as they are and only makes people more confused over the subject rather supply the actual facts!
It has been a few years since I titled a vehicle for Florida, so things may have changed. But the application still lists Kit Car and Rebuilt in section 3: http://www3.hsmv.state.fl.us/Intrane...lpak/82040.pdf
Again, they rely on the applicant to check the boxes, and if they don't they get a regular title.
And sorry, I have no reason to show proof of the vehicles I have imported. I personally don't care if you believe me or not. The proof is all on NHTSA's site that they have been legal, they have all been on the eligibility list, over 25 yr rule, parts without any FMVSS items, or US spec w/ required Certificate of Origin stating it meets standards.
The only exception was the biggest pain, reimporting an '82 Camaro from Japan that did not have it's US title. Even with the VIN (most states did not keep databases at that time) there was no record of it being US or not. So it required an RI (and $2000) to verify it meet US standards.
You know when FL uses that form, when the car already has a TITLE and your registering the car for someone else .when I take the cars down to be titled we don’t even see this form
but you did prove to us you know how to cut and paste
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