ok, before you kids get out of control this is the real facts. If you bring over a car (rolling chasis) throw the motor back in and use a maxima vin, you dont just get your car inpounded, you go to jail. Its illegal. they impound your car and you are SOL and prolly getting an ASS raping. Secondly, importing a chasis and legalizing the car are two totally different things. You can bring over a car as a rolling chasis, and import the motor but still not be legalized. Only a Specific RI or company can do the legalizations and guess what, NO ONE can do it right now. Let me repeat, NO ONE. Now you can bring it over on a HS-7 form and have DOT paper work, but in the end, you aren't legal, but you do mean standards to have it a DD. you can pass emissions and inspection and get a State title. But you can't really sell the car and have to comply with many other standards and they do know where youre car is. Secondly, its not easy to bring the car over on Race only and Show forms. Its not a simple process like you guys think it is.
well i never said it was eays, if it was i think there would be quite a few more skylines on the road. Does anyone know what other issues there are besides smog? I've heard crash bumpers arent the right height or something stupid, but there must be more to it than that. Also, i think you are thinking of chop shop type switching of VINs, which is seriously illegal, but if you purchase both vehicles and swap VINs, in which case you would be registering it as a maxima and such, would be illegal but not enough they would jail you for it, again, your thinking of a chop shop stealing and reselling cars with a different VIN. The use of the maxima was just a for instance. Maybe if you would try to sell it or sell multiple ones you would go to jail. Also, since apparently the RB can be legalized in some form since they have them over hear and the rolling chassis can be imported, i dont see how it would be different from a Noble M12 that is only available in rolling chassis form and putting the RB in it at that stage. There may be more to getting it legal than that, but your not going to jail for bringing a car over that isnt smog legal, thats just stupid, christ, its not like its a nuclear missle or something. Bottom line though, who cares anyway? we are getting the GTR Proto (whatever it ends up being called) in a couple years anyway and that will be legal with a warranty.
P.S. A show on speed channel somehow managed to get an R32 in the country for a show where they built up 3 cars a chevy cobalt ss, a jetta, and a skyline. If they can do it up sure other people could as well, and i believe also that all 3 had to be kept street legal.
well i never said it was eays, if it was i think there would be quite a few more skylines on the road. Does anyone know what other issues there are besides smog? I've heard crash bumpers arent the right height or something stupid, but there must be more to it than that. Also, i think you are thinking of chop shop type switching of VINs, which is seriously illegal, but if you purchase both vehicles and swap VINs, in which case you would be registering it as a maxima and such, would be illegal but not enough they would jail you for it, again, your thinking of a chop shop stealing and reselling cars with a different VIN. The use of the maxima was just a for instance. Maybe if you would try to sell it or sell multiple ones you would go to jail. Also, since apparently the RB can be legalized in some form since they have them over hear and the rolling chassis can be imported, i dont see how it would be different from a Noble M12 that is only available in rolling chassis form and putting the RB in it at that stage. There may be more to getting it legal than that, but your not going to jail for bringing a car over that isnt smog legal, thats just stupid, christ, its not like its a nuclear missle or something. Bottom line though, who cares anyway? we are getting the GTR Proto (whatever it ends up being called) in a couple years anyway and that will be legal with a warranty.
P.S. A show on speed channel somehow managed to get an R32 in the country for a show where they built up 3 cars a chevy cobalt ss, a jetta, and a skyline. If they can do it up sure other people could as well, and i believe also that all 3 had to be kept street legal.
None of the stuff you are stating will legalize it. The ONLY way to legalize it is to have a certified shop to do it. and guess what NO ONE can do it. That is a Zero. But when they do legalize a car, the do a lot. Reinforce the firewall and doors for one. Bumpers, safety glass, and smog is another. they add cats to the exhaust and a lot of other things. Nobles are not US legal, but they are street legal, they are brought over on an hs-7 form and then a US supplier will add the motor for you.
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I can't wait until Hurrican Jamal sweeps up the east coast and steals the wheels and stero out of your car
None of the stuff you are stating will legalize it. The ONLY way to legalize it is to have a certified shop to do it. and guess what NO ONE can do it. That is a Zero. But when they do legalize a car, the do a lot. Reinforce the firewall and doors for one. Bumpers, safety glass, and smog is another. they add cats to the exhaust and a lot of other things. Nobles are not US legal, but they are street legal, they are brought over on an hs-7 form and then a US supplier will add the motor for you.
I never said anything about being legal, I'm saying its a good chance no one will ever bother to do anything about it. I'm aware noble M12's come over as a rolling chassis, which is the way i was saying to get a R34 over and then ship the motor seperately. Will the government let you ship over an R34 straight up and say "happy motoring", probably not, but if people can nearly completely rebuild a car and still have it street legal in totally different form there has to be some way to do it with a skyline, just time consuming and a pain in the ass. Again though, with the illegal VIN swap, thats a dont ask dont tell kinda thing: you- "its a maxima i modified for show" cop- "ok." It would take a hell of a team to prove otherwise and if its just one car i doubt the government will go through that kind of trouble. I mean, think about it, you would need the best of nissan specialists to prove that it isnt a heavily modified maxima to a legally undeniable extent, because someone could alway argue "i modified it to be as close to a skyline as possible" and they would probably just drop it because its too much trouble. Also, I want to see this legal document that says you will go to jail for importing a non-street legal car and that they will crush it, because i seriously doubt they are going to be that harsh just because you imported a car.
Also, I want to see this legal document that says you will go to jail for importing a non-street legal car and that they will crush it, because i seriously doubt they are going to be that harsh just because you imported a car.
Are you serious. Swapping Vins is illegal. There is nothing else said. And guess what happens when you committ a crime of ripping off insurance companies, thats right, you get sent to jail.. Have some bloody common sense. This kid wanted to know the difference btw street legal and US legal. I told that. and for your stupid common that no one would impound your shit and just say hell with it; you need to come back into reality. Peoples cars get impounded all the time and all the cop has to do is be pissed off enough for him to say, ok boys lets impound his car until further notification. Guess what, that means you have to prove the state wrong, not the other way around. Are you gonna show him proof that you bought it as a maxima, is he gonna see the HS-7 forms for the Skyline. Guess what, you loose. Listen, you really need to come back to earth and listen to what the smart people are saying. What you are saying is dumb and illegal. Cops are not dumb as bricks. And some do know their shit bout cars.
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Originally Posted by hendrix
I can't wait until Hurrican Jamal sweeps up the east coast and steals the wheels and stero out of your car
Are you serious. Swapping Vins is illegal. There is nothing else said. And guess what happens when you committ a crime of ripping off insurance companies, thats right, you get sent to jail.. Have some bloody common sense. This kid wanted to know the difference btw street legal and US legal. I told that. and for your stupid common that no one would impound your shit and just say hell with it; you need to come back into reality. Peoples cars get impounded all the time and all the cop has to do is be pissed off enough for him to say, ok boys lets impound his car until further notification. Guess what, that means you have to prove the state wrong, not the other way around. Are you gonna show him proof that you bought it as a maxima, is he gonna see the HS-7 forms for the Skyline. Guess what, you loose. Listen, you really need to come back to earth and listen to what the smart people are saying. What you are saying is dumb and illegal. Cops are not dumb as bricks. And some do know their shit bout cars.
Lets just say that Ive been to jail at least once for running a car under a different Vin# / Title. They Will impound the car and unless you can provide proof of ownership, they will sell or Destroy your car. If there isnt documentation or ownership is un-traceable it gets destroyed regarless. Thankfully neither time was a Nissan or a Valuable car. I couldnt provide proof of ownership! Not ot mention when you do get bailed out of jail you are facing at least 4-5 different charges. And thats for a Car the WAS sold in the US..
psuLemon.... Your doing a Great job. I dont have Skyline specific info.. Just personal experience. Keep these Newbs in line please
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Are you serious. Swapping Vins is illegal. There is nothing else said. And guess what happens when you committ a crime of ripping off insurance companies, thats right, you get sent to jail.. Have some bloody common sense. This kid wanted to know the difference btw street legal and US legal. I told that. and for your stupid common that no one would impound your shit and just say hell with it; you need to come back into reality. Peoples cars get impounded all the time and all the cop has to do is be pissed off enough for him to say, ok boys lets impound his car until further notification. Guess what, that means you have to prove the state wrong, not the other way around. Are you gonna show him proof that you bought it as a maxima, is he gonna see the HS-7 forms for the Skyline. Guess what, you loose. Listen, you really need to come back to earth and listen to what the smart people are saying. What you are saying is dumb and illegal. Cops are not dumb as bricks. And some do know their shit bout cars.
I dont think your getting what im saying, and dont start this noob shit either, i never said it was legal or foolproof, i said in podunk, USA chances are no one is gonna know a real skyline from an accord with a bodykit. All I know is there is someone that bought a skyline and a maxima and imported them both to mexico and swapped the vins, trashed the real maxima, and is now happily driving aroudn the US with his "showcar" maxima. Thats a FACT, so you cant tell me im full of it when someone has already done this. Is it legal, almost definently not. Plus, as he bought both cars, im sure he has full documentation of ownership etc. etc. Its a sneaky way that im sure you could get in trouble for, but so far as i know he hasnt. And again, you guys are thinking of the law in terms of stealing cars and swapping vins, if you have proof of ownership etc etc its not the same thing as a chop shop scenario that you keep refering to. Plus, since the vin swap was done in mexico before either car was ever in the US, i think the laws would have some sort of loophole anyway as it would be more of an issue with the mexican government, which probalby doesnt give a fuck in hell about a skyline driving around. And what the hell are you talking about with insurance companies? How are you ripping off an insurance company? chances are he just has liability which differs little especially over 25 or so because maxima parts certainly wouldnt help him out. Second of all, im sure insurance works differently for imported cars in the first place. And as for the cops impounding cars spontaneously, you gotta be doing something stupid like be caught racing, doing burnouts, or something else to call attention to yourself unless you live in an urban area where the cops know you arent street legal. Legal or not, im saying you can pull it off and i know that I am right because it has been done before.
I dont think your getting what im saying, and dont start this noob shit either, i never said it was legal or foolproof, i said in podunk, USA chances are no one is gonna know a real skyline from an accord with a bodykit. All I know is there is someone that bought a skyline and a maxima and imported them both to mexico and swapped the vins, trashed the real maxima, and is now happily driving aroudn the US with his "showcar" maxima. Thats a FACT, so you cant tell me im full of it when someone has already done this. Is it legal, almost definently not. Plus, as he bought both cars, im sure he has full documentation of ownership etc. etc. Its a sneaky way that im sure you could get in trouble for, but so far as i know he hasnt. And again, you guys are thinking of the law in terms of stealing cars and swapping vins, if you have proof of ownership etc etc its not the same thing as a chop shop scenario that you keep refering to. Plus, since the vin swap was done in mexico before either car was ever in the US, i think the laws would have some sort of loophole anyway as it would be more of an issue with the mexican government, which probalby doesnt give a fuck in hell about a skyline driving around. And what the hell are you talking about with insurance companies? How are you ripping off an insurance company? chances are he just has liability which differs little especially over 25 or so because maxima parts certainly wouldnt help him out. Second of all, im sure insurance works differently for imported cars in the first place. And as for the cops impounding cars spontaneously, you gotta be doing something stupid like be caught racing, doing burnouts, or something else to call attention to yourself unless you live in an urban area where the cops know you arent street legal. Legal or not, im saying you can pull it off and i know that I am right because it has been done before.
Just because one of your retarded friends did the VIN swap doesn't make it legal or even close to being. Listen, swapping VINS is a federal crime. are you ripping off insurance companies. Abso-fucking-lutely. You are registering a car under another car. that my friend is illegal. when importing a skyline/jdm car, you register them as a grey market car where you limitations for the car are different. You insurance rates are different. Now if you are registering the car under a US car, you are paying rates for that specific car. Now you are assuming that all the safety standards and DOT regulations have been met. I dont give a shit bout what you friends did to rip off/bypass the govt. The FACTS are, its illegal, and i hope the bitch gets caught and gets an ass raping in jail. We do not condone illegal activity on this forum, so do not preach that system.
so lets recap
vin swap = illegal, which will get you jail time.
vin swap = rips off insuarnce company, which leads to jail time.
you = giving illegal activity. needs to stop.
If you want to import a car, do it right. Do it legally.
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I can't wait until Hurrican Jamal sweeps up the east coast and steals the wheels and stero out of your car
Just because one of your retarded friends did the VIN swap doesn't make it legal or even close to being. Listen, swapping VINS is a federal crime. are you ripping off insurance companies. Abso-fucking-lutely. You are registering a car under another car. that my friend is illegal. when importing a skyline/jdm car, you register them as a grey market car where you limitations for the car are different. You insurance rates are different. Now if you are registering the car under a US car, you are paying rates for that specific car. Now you are assuming that all the safety standards and DOT regulations have been met. I dont give a shit bout what you friends did to rip off/bypass the govt. The FACTS are, its illegal, and i hope the bitch gets caught and gets an ass raping in jail. We do not condone illegal activity on this forum, so do not preach that system.
so lets recap
vin swap = illegal, which will get you jail time.
vin swap = rips off insuarnce company, which leads to jail time.
you = giving illegal activity. needs to stop.
If you want to import a car, do it right. Do it legally.
You still aren't listening and you still are putting words in my mouth. OK, lets start over. Guy (who i never met, my friend told me about him, i think he actually met him once, which makes him not my retarted friend) buys BOTH THE SKYLINE AND MAXIMA IN JAPAN, sends them to MEXICO, NEVER IN AMERICA, EVER, and swaps them there, then the US certifies it as a Maxima after coming to the US FOR THE FIRST TIME. You are saying he bought the maxima in the US because your a dumbass and you dont read. The legality of doing it this way is hazy because it never entered the US until the VIN swap was already completed, and the car would be registered as an imported japanese maxima (cefiro cruising i believe they are called over there), and the government would have full capacity to make any objections at the time of registering it in the first place. I never said everyone should go out and do this, im saying its possible, which you keep trying to deny, your giving worst case scenarios of everything and im giving real world probability. Your saying the instant you drive it on the road the first time a cop will impound your car. I'm saying even though this is illegal it would be unlikely a cop would catch you or care especially in a small outlying area. FOR THE LAST TIME, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, I AM FULLY AWARE IT IS ILLEGAL, STOP ARGUING THAT!!!!
I read you damn arguement, mine was this, it doesn't matter where in the world you changed the vin number, its still illegal. Cuz its illegal in all places to change vins. Cuz guess whats, its not a max, its a skyline. Yes, i give worst case senarios because i have seen hundreds of people get ripped off. People always come over here and tell us how they are getting a skyline and shit and then there is a no go. Or how bout the guy that had his R32 registered in Canada at his brothers house and lived in the US, got his shit impounded after the cops started to think something is wrong. How bout that guy wasted 25k plus his fines. Illegal activity is the same no matter where you go. Once you cross into US soil, its because Illegal towards our standards. hell if you kill someone and leave the country, it doesn't mean u get off the hook. You care committing a crime no matter what.
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I can't wait until Hurrican Jamal sweeps up the east coast and steals the wheels and stero out of your car
I read you damn arguement, mine was this, it doesn't matter where in the world you changed the vin number, its still illegal. Cuz its illegal in all places to change vins. Cuz guess whats, its not a max, its a skyline. Yes, i give worst case senarios because i have seen hundreds of people get ripped off. People always come over here and tell us how they are getting a skyline and shit and then there is a no go. Or how bout the guy that had his R32 registered in Canada at his brothers house and lived in the US, got his shit impounded after the cops started to think something is wrong. How bout that guy wasted 25k plus his fines. Illegal activity is the same no matter where you go. Once you cross into US soil, its because Illegal towards our standards. hell if you kill someone and leave the country, it doesn't mean u get off the hook. You care committing a crime no matter what.
I thought the caps lock covered this, I know its illegal! All im saying is with the vins changed prior to entering the US, if they wanted to say "no, you cant bring that here" they had their chance. Illegal or not, once they give you the paper work saying your car is legal to drive in the US, you're good to go, unless someone wants to be a dick and impound you. It's almost starting to sound like your pissed because you didnt think of it or you want a skyline and you're mad someone else got away with it. I know its illegal, I'm just saying it isnt the worst thing anyone has ever done.
let me list things legally WORSE than importing a skyline:
Rape
Murder
Theft
Michael Jackson
Driving a Civic
Tax Fraud
Corporate Theft
Battery (beating, not the power source)
Shooting
and thats a short list, so i think the cops have a little more to do than make a search and destroy skyline capture team. So bottom line, illegal yes, possible to get away with yes. Cops could impound anyones car, doesnt mean they will, all im saying is if you want one that bad there are loopholes to get it in your driveway, and its on your shoulders from there, and it will be difficult because it IS illegal. Although, bottom line, US is mega gay for making all these restrictions, if i want a car that doesnt have enough crash protection its my life im risking and it should be my choice, its one thing for a manufacturer to say fuck safety, but if i WANT another car from another country that doesnt have as strict safety guidelines than it should be up to me.
Let me get this through your head, switching Vins is not a loophole. A loop hole is where you bring the car over as a rolling chasis and then importing the engine. Secondly if i really wanted a skyline, i would have imported it already with that loophole. I have the money to do so, i just prefer not to. Yes i have read everything you posted, and yes i see how its done, but it doesn't make it right. And hell plenty of people have gotten the cars over here on loopholes, doesnt mean they keep them very long. Do some research dude, i have been here for 3 years. i have seen some messed up and crazy shit. And EVERY time, the person with the loophole gets burnt. I know all the tricks, i know the illegal ones as well of the legal ones. I have learned from many people that import the cars. Celm is one of those knowledgeable. So until you get a real arguement, stop trying to come at me. You dont have anything valid against me. I have told you how to do it legally and what will happen if you do the vin switch. Now find somehting new.
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I can't wait until Hurrican Jamal sweeps up the east coast and steals the wheels and stero out of your car
neogeon------
Even the starter of this thread hasn't said anything in a Week. Why cant you let it go????
Can it be done LEGALLY--- Not at this time by ANYONE!!!
Can you do it ILLEGALY-----Probably
Will you get Caught-------- Quite Probably!
If Above is TRUE...Will your Car get impounded/ destroyed--- YES!
Will you go to jail and get A$$ RAPED---- YES!!!
Will you deserve it for being a Dumb-A$$ and Getting such a BEAUTIFUL piece of Machiney Destroyed------ MOST DEFINETLY!!
And I "THOUGHT" I was Hard-Headed!!!
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neogeon------
Even the starter of this thread hasn't said anything in a Week. Why cant you let it go????
Can it be done LEGALLY--- Not at this time by ANYONE!!!
Can you do it ILLEGALY-----Probably
Will you get Caught-------- Quite Probably!
If Above is TRUE...Will your Car get impounded/ destroyed--- YES!
Will you go to jail and get A$$ RAPED---- YES!!!
Will you deserve it for being a Dumb-A$$ and Getting such a BEAUTIFUL piece of Machiney Destroyed------ MOST DEFINETLY!!
And I "THOUGHT" I was Hard-Headed!!!
you are hard headed and you have nothing to do with this argument, at all, and you obviously missed my point in the first place but i dont want to argue anymore because we are beating the dead horse of skyline importing which in reality makes no sense why it cant be legally done anymore, but whatever, the new GTR will be here soon but if it drives anything like the G35 sedan then I dont want it anyway because it isnt fun to drive like a spec v.
you are hard headed and you have nothing to do with this argument, at all, and you obviously missed my point in the first place but i dont want to argue anymore because we are beating the dead horse of skyline importing which in reality makes no sense why it cant be legally done anymore, but whatever, the new GTR will be here soon but if it drives anything like the G35 sedan then I dont want it anyway because it isnt fun to drive like a spec v.
the G35 and the 350z will both out handle the Spec V. the new GTR will be AWD and pack 450hp. Im sure it will be fun. Dont worry.
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I can't wait until Hurrican Jamal sweeps up the east coast and steals the wheels and stero out of your car
