Yes it is, indeed information that needs to be shared.
I've issued a challenge to the houston- based moderator within
the se-r Tx. chapter of se-r .net forums... Wherein,
I've extended an invitation for inspection and a test- ride of/ in
my 91' nx. The 70mm maf application is a nissan maf...and
the ecu has not been reprogrammed. You understand, I'm being
mindful of the flashing ad banners at the top of the forum and those and
whose products and services are promoted within.
To accomplish the use of the larger maf does require additional
controlling components; none of which do I sell, or in any way am I
affiliated with suppliers. Some of your members may own these.
I offer the same evaluation to a trusted member of yours, of your
choosing; in the San Antonio, Tx. area.
What say you? Up to it? I will offer mafs, thusly configured for the
application on ebay for less than what most are paying for the z32 maf
on the sr20det pages... If you like, I will forward to you my original
post I sent to the moderator. Send me an address. I'm offering the first
three with a money- back
guarantee of satisfaction. Would you care to see the post?
You'll have to forgive the mild chastising of the 'guru', certainly
none- such would appear in these hallowed halls.
The truth exists in supports; it is the method of good science,
until a new truth undermines and replaces it... What say you?
sorry, forgot to define: huge difference.
The maf is the bottle- neck in your induction system.
Although we frequently see the q45 throttlebody on
custom manifolds in japan. I, personally, have not tried this.
No matter what modifications you may currently have.
The 70mm maf will provide a big surge in midrange as
you approach the torque- peak. You will notice, equally,
a stronger pull on the top end if you are using cams
that can exploit the increase of air. Personally, I found that
the stock cams play- out much too soon.
Got a g-tech meter?... Like to try it on a dyno?
I'm up to challenge...
I own two vpc set-ups; they are in reserve for all- out
forced induction. The maf is a better compensator for less than that.
You have atmospheric pressure pushing in; thats all.
Oh, yes, did I mention the guarantee?
Come up to dallas next weekend and dyno the stock vs your new setup. I'd like to see some solid #'s on it. I don't have much faith in the old butt dyno's.
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First of all if you are selling something, which it kinda sounds like... then you need to post in the classified section.
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To accomplish the use of the larger maf does require additional
controlling components;
So what's needed?
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a big surge in midrange as
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huge gains
Saying "huge gains" without any dyno chart to prove your claims makes it sound shady.. Since you're in Texas, Take up se-r-57's offer and head up to their dyno day in Dallas..
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You understand, I'm being
mindful of the flashing ad banners at the top of the forum and those and
whose products and services are promoted within.
Why?....It doesn't matter what banners are on this site... If you can show "huge gains" then we are all interested.
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I will offer mafs, thusly configured for the
application on ebay for less than what most are paying for the z32 maf
on the sr20det pages.
Tell you what, mr.moderator....
I'll go you one better...
You supervise or pick a member that wants to try it,
or yourself ... You dyno the thing on one of your cars.
You know what you've got under your hood.
Run a baseline and then a comparison, or take it to the track;
I don't care which.
I'll pay for the shipping both ways.
You go on record here not to tamper with it in any way.
Return it when done,or I'll be glad to sell it to who wants it.
Then if I choose to market some here, I'll gladly do so
in the classified section...
Any takers?..... The original note to the moderator of
Tx. se-r.net said: will be sold for less than what the det guys
are paying for the z32 maf [ average price].
a] you need a super afc, one of the blue florescent models
which are the fourth and fifth generation of the product;
some familiarity is helpful.
b] you need a good o2 monitor. I am partial to the efi unit
which also has a injector cycle display. If you have a
techtom 100 this will do fine; I've prototyped using
both at the same time....
Sorry, I am with myoung on this. There is no one who will believe you unless you post some dyno sheets, 1/4-mile times, and even pictures of this MAF. Credibility is the issue. No one will believe you unless you present the facts. Until then, you are as shady as Ponzi, my friend.
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"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist".
I belive what I said was: you'll notice a huge difference in
midrange pull tword the torque- peak. This is a time- to distance
phenomena best evaluated at the track. Use a stopwatch.
Somebody else said huge gain, [ slightly out of context ]
which is more suggestive of huge horsepower.
What I set about to do here is introduce the product and
service. However, I do stand corrected, it does belong in the
classified forum. It won't be there.
Gentlemen, you know as well as I do that anybody can fudge
quarter mile times. Anybody can fake dyno charts or borrow
them from someone else on the net...Don't let this get out,
but it happens more frequently than we like.
If I bring you my car, which I won't, someone will say that
I've done something else that is responsible; come-on,
that is what the tear-down and pit inspection after the
race is about. Right?
I can't do any better than what I've offered,
a free evaluation on one of your cars; you know how its equiped.
Free round trip shipping? Somebody will see this who already
has an s-afc, and why wouldn't you also be using a good monitor
for mixture. They are fine- tuning instruments;
even though the three- wire o2 sensor is only so- so in the world
of such things. I will shortly run a five- wire for added precision.
Look, I understand your trepedations. What I'm suggesting is
'off the popular think' on the matter.
What I wanted to do, was take your evaluation to the marketplace;
not the other way around.
I don't know anybody who actually drives their car on a dyno,
but the thing would prove- out there too; only moreso in the
real world.
My regards to mr. young and Mr. Harris ...
Anybody else, trustworthy; suspicious there might be something
to it? P.M. me, leave me a phone number.
Ahem, this is not a sale it is a loan; you cannot buy it from
me. You'll have to buy it in the marketplace- you know where.
Satisfactory, gentlemen?
I'll check back sometime latter. I do buisness in the marketplace
as 1fuzz45- you know where. You can learn about it from the
testimonials I accumulate; which is part of the deal. Has anybody
noticed the z32 maf sales on the det pages you know where?
Why are they selling? Why do you think whats good for them
Isn't good for you? Why do you think you won't get the same
good results? Why don't you go there, watch an auction close;
send a message to the buyer and ask him? Why would you think
there is something mystical about a turbo that makes this all
possible?
Please, the poor man has work to; building a quicker car.
Don't argue with him; he does'nt have time to educate you.
P.S., the maf looks like any other 70mm nissan maf,
ponzi- my friend; because it is ... cedric, skyline, maxima
they are all the same... they all flow the same
amount of air, being a 70mm tube.
The one I use on my car is a skyline; big deal,
the intelectual property is another matter.
Don't let this get out, but the q45 / m45
maf replacement for my supra is even more
impressive....see ya
P.S., the maf looks like any other 70mm nissan maf,
ponzi- my friend; because it is ... cedric, skyline, maxima
they are all the same... they all flow the same
amount of air, being a 70mm tube.
The one I use on my car is a skyline; big deal,
the intelectual property is another matter.
Don't let this get out, but the q45 / m45
maf replacement for my supra is even more
impressive....see ya
I dunno, I tried a larger 70mm MAF and it didnt really do anything until the car got well past the 170 hp level, it made about 3-4 hp once it got past about 180 hp.
On a bolt on motor and a mildly modified motor with headwork and big cams, it didnt make any differece on a dyno.
Do you have dyno sheets or do you have any more details about the engines base setup? I presume you are talking about an NA motor. On a turbo motor a bigger MAF makes a huge difference.
Have you dynoed it?
I have a feeling the power gain is from leaning out the mixture with the AFC. If you go from the stock mid 11 A/F ratio to the low 13's, you'll feel a big power increase.
If you are willing, send us one of you modifed MAF's and we'll test it. If you want we'll share the results with you first if you agree not to sell the product on our forums if it does not have a benifit. If it makes a lot of power and provides a value for our readers, we'll do a full NPM article on your product.
If this is secret intellectual property you don't want out, why are you posting to keep it secret on an interent forum in front of thousands of strangers?
Mike
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Last edited by morepower2 : Feb 15th, 2004 at 08:04 PM.
You dyno the thing on one of your cars.
You know what you've got under your hood.
Run a baseline and then a comparison
Just curious... have you done this? and can you share the results. We will happily do an independent test, but it is a norm when someone/company claims hp increases with a new product that they at least try to show some documentation.
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I don't know anybody who actually drives their car on a dyno,
No they test and tune on dyno's,
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If I bring you my car, which I won't, someone will say that
I've done something else that is responsible; come-on,
that is what the tear-down and pit inspection after the
race is about. Right?
The offer was to bring it to the Dallas SERCA dyno day, not a race. Plus you would never want to test power mods by racing.
Who could say something else was responsible if you dyno'd with the stock setup, then switched to you larger maf setup and dyno'd again in front of everyone?
mp2-- here is correct;
This is exactly who I'm looking for;
someone with a 91' - 93' se-r, nx2000 or g20;
I've got base settings for you at this time.
Mr. mp2-- Tell me a bit more about how your car is
equipped...? I wasn't aware that your late model
sentra 'sports' a larger maf. What size is it?
Tell me, how did you accomplish running the 70mm
maf? No offense, but I'm sure I've read something
strikingly similar on the net... To the effect:
So & so will be happy to reprogram your ecu for
the z32 maf, but found no.... ect. ect.
Mr. young [editor]
I'm going to P.M. your mailbox.
What is being sent, guys, is a direct contact
for myself; but sir, I belive I read above a
commitment for preserving the integrity of what
I may send to you for evaluation.
Please go on- record below as to that
in no uncertain terms.
What I need from you now guys is someone to step-
forward, so equiped with car and equipment discussed
previously...You know, the pretty blue dashboard jewelry
I've discussed is not that expensive if you buy a used one.
The fourth generation has the buttons and can be had
for about 220.00 maybe less if you look. Don't forget a
simple, reasonably accurate 02 monitor. Personally, for my
stuff, the lean/ rich only gadgets won't do. The
techtom has a voltage scale that is as fast as the EFI,
but the latter is easier to use at a glance. Better to have
a co- pilot for digital displays..Thats why we prefer
analogue guages right?
You won't care for my egg; it isn't pretty, but it is the
'scurge' in my area and I have fun with it.
I'm someone who needs my 'day job' as implied by my handle.
I have a family, aged parents, and a I've a five year old son to
look after; that makes this a pet project.
Most, like myself, have been forced into minivan land by now.
You might be interested that my own 'guru' warned of your
possesed nature concerning numbers data.
I trust you to that. Your editor can contact me when you've
got a member equipped to do the evaluation.
In the meantime, somebody put-up an e-address below
and I'll send you some less- than pretty pics of my
diabolic labratory. Did you know that some lady here in
San Antonio invented liquid paper in her sink?
Thought you might like that. Sure you don't have anyone
here that wants to have a closer look?
Until then........fuzzz Any body ever seen a twincharged
7m ? Don't worry, nobody has...
I was born on the same day as Michael Jackson,
but hey; guess that makes me the lucky one.....
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