your favorite z - Page 3

**Spongerider** · Dec 30th, 2003, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zwutumean

:dumbass:
NOT TRUE. The 350Z n/a is FASTER than the TT 300ZX. Period.

(I hate when people talk outta their a$$e$)

300ZX= 0-60 in 6.0 sec and 1/4 mile in 14.4 sec
350Z = 0-60 in 5.4 sec and 1/4 mile in 14.0 sec

Here's a reference for ya too:
http://members.tripod.com/turbocharged98/300zx.htm

REALLY???? Your 1/4 mile time is wrong for the 300zx TT.

March 1995 Motor Trend: Standing quarter mile, sec/mph 13.9/102.0

This is fact,

Stock Z33 (dyno taken from 350zforum),

Stock Z32 TT (dyno taken from TTZD.com)

I left references for the dyno's to prove that they are legit and not to be disrespect the NissanForum.com.

Lets read the SAE Corrected dyno's,

Z33, 3K=140hp, 3.5K=150hp, 4K=175hp, 4.5K=202hp, 5K=220, 5.5K=235hp, 6K=239hp, 6.5K=225hp.
Peak HP 239.36/TQ 237.14

Z32, 3K=135K, 3.5K=160hp, 4K=190, 4.5K=220, 5K=230hp, 5.5K=245hp, 6K=240hp.
Peak HP 246.7/TQ262
If you want you can do the same for the torque, I did not put it in because of time.

Notice how the Z33 makes more power down low but also notice that at 3.5K the Z32 is making more power +10rwhp and continous.
The Z32 has a hard time launching (Better known as wheel hopping). The reason it's hard to launch is the Z32 has a anti squat supension and why from a stop a Z33 should have the upper end + you have better rear end suspension.

A Z32 will win on the highway. When your on the freeway your on the move and the rpms are around 3K. When you down shift to start a race you'll end up arounf 4-5k this is where we will look at the dynos for comparison.

Well start with 4K, you'll notice a 15rwhp advantage for the Z32, 4.5K a 18 rwhp advantage, 5K a 10 rwhp advantage, 5.5k a 10rwhp advantage, 6K no real advantage to any car.

This is why the Z32 will win on the freeway. Once the turbos spool up the power comes in. If your saying that your car is lighter that is true but anybody who has taken physics will tell you once a object is moving weight has very little if any effect on speed. So if your race a Z32 make sure it's at a dead stop were weight is your advantage.

So who is the :dumbass: now?

**morepower2** · Dec 30th, 2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ldsolja4

Z31 by far the best!. Ill post pics and my dyno sheets when i finish up a few things by february ... then people will realize how mean the 80's Z's are! This is my second z31, first was NA and the new one is turbo... theres more potential in the z31 in my opinion, its just hella hard to find the right mods but its out there.

Yes the Z31 is capable of over 450 whp with just bolt ons. Unfortunatly it seems that many Z31 owners are moneyless and clueless dorks that cannot even afford decent bolt ons and do all sorts of ghetto things to their poor cars which brings down the whole model. Thats why the Z31 is one of the most unlove of all the Z's. It does not deserve this reputation.

The Z31 is brimming with potential, just I only know of one done right in my area, and its the fastest Z I have ever been in or driven period. Its faster than my 575 whp Z32.

You can get a decent Turbo Z31 for under $2000. Add about $4000 in bolt ons and you will have a monster capable of humiliating nearly any car on the street for nothing in money. I might even do one because its so cheap and easy. I will call it project rodney dangerfield.

Mike

Dec 31st, 2003, 03:13 AM

I've been waiting 15 years to restore my '69 240Z (Chassis #35), finished it in October and it is one brilliant drive, I have put it completely back to standard, including the correct 175/14 Bridgestone Tyres.

I have my 350Z on order (a year late in the UK), should be arriving in February, so I'll let you know.

The big question for me, is the 350Z going to be better than my current Skyline GTS??

Jellyfish
"You can in a Nissan, 'cos you did in a Datsun"

nissan_280zx · Jan 14th, 2004, 07:47 AM

280ZX

i own one and for a cheap reliable fast nissan u cant get much better than a 280ZX.

esyip · Feb 10th, 2004, 02:24 AM

i've always been in love with the Z32. it just looks absolutely amazing and i'll be owning one this year. i have my eyes set on this PRISTINE '91 2+2 with only 60k-70k on the odometer. i'm just deciding whether or not i should snatch it up since i want black leather and this has tan leather. we'll see, but i'll have one this year.

i've also loved the look of the old school 240-280Z cars. the lines look somewhat Corvetteish around the rear. and seeing one on a set of staggered deep dish rims is absolutely ORGASMIC. especially when there's a roaring V8 sitting under the hood (i know there are quite a few Z fanatics that don't like that, but it's something that i would TOTALLY do if i had the money to), or even hearing the L28ET under the hoods of one of those Z cars is amazing.

82_280ZX · Feb 10th, 2004, 06:40 PM

280zx because i own one....

howling_S13 · Feb 12th, 2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by morepower2

Yes the Z31 is capable of over 450 whp with just bolt ons. Unfortunatly it seems that many Z31 owners are moneyless and clueless dorks that cannot even afford decent bolt ons and do all sorts of ghetto things to their poor cars which brings down the whole model. Thats why the Z31 is one of the most unlove of all the Z's. It does not deserve this reputation.

The Z31 is brimming with potential, just I only know of one done right in my area, and its the fastest Z I have ever been in or driven period. Its faster than my 575 whp Z32.

You can get a decent Turbo Z31 for under $2000. Add about $4000 in bolt ons and you will have a monster capable of humiliating nearly any car on the street for nothing in money. I might even do one because its so cheap and easy. I will call it project rodney dangerfield.

Mike

I agree. But I would use the Z31 for straight line drag. I prefer the Z32 for handling and body style. The 350Z is just too damn heavy to be considered a real sports car. 4000lbs...Who decided that was a good idea?

**morepower2** · Feb 13th, 2004, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by howling_S13

I agree. But I would use the Z31 for straight line drag. I prefer the Z32 for handling and body style. The 350Z is just too damn heavy to be considered a real sports car. 4000lbs...Who decided that was a good idea?

A 350Z weights 3100-3200 lbs.

Mike

FletchSpecV · Feb 13th, 2004, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by morepower2

A 350Z weights 3100-3200 lbs.

Mike

Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think it weighs 4000. But couldn't remember exactly what it weighs, but Mike's right.

KA24Tech · Feb 21st, 2004, 04:37 AM

I voted for the Z32 300ZX because of the ground-breaking style, performance, technology, and luxury. I own an early 90 TT currently.
I really really enjoyed my 71 240Z. It was my first Nissan/Datsun and it was a true sports car, it had that raw driveability that made it so much fun. Which is one reason why I will probably get another down the road.
I like the refinement of the 300 more though.
The Z33 has nice lines and I like the car but I am still not completely sold but...
Oh the Z33 weighs between 3188 - 3247lbs (coupe) and 3428 - 3479lbs (roadster)
Troy

JAMESZ · Mar 11th, 2004, 09:38 PM

I had to vote Z31 Turbo. I own one and their power potential is amazing. I like the 80s styling on the Z31 and I like being the guy everyone under rates. Alot of the Z33 owners tell me that the Z31 is crap (I have begun to hate Z33 owners around where I live) they think that the 350Z is so much better than the older Zs they even think they are better than the Z32 TT (sorry the Z32TT is faster then the new 350Z). Also the Z31 has the best racing record of any nissan and its nice to own a car with such a good racing heritage (so why is it so underrated?). I still haven't figured out why other Z enthusiasts dislike the Z31 I can understand the 2by2 Automatic but the Turbos are true sports cars. Also handling in the Z31 isn't as bad as everyone thinks; yes the chasis has it limitations but that can be fixed with polyurethane foam and the brakes are decent and are easy to upgrade. But I just like the Z31 they are becoming rare and noone suspects you to be fast.

JAMESZ · Mar 12th, 2004, 01:16 PM

Also why would you buy a Z33 for the engine? The Z33 engine is no technical marvel and if you are a tuner it will get you nowhere. This is why the new Z33 race car that Nissan is putting out is a 3.0 litre 6 Twin Turbo the new 3.5 can't handle to much power and its NA. The Z32 TT has a much better engine then the Z33 1st of all if you want to make power the NA Z33 will get you nowhere whereas the Z32 TT (300HP) and the Z31T will take you way above what the Z33 will ever get too. The Z33 can't handle to much boost and the engine so far doesn't seem to respond to well to forced induction and in the power world boost is a must.

0341TODD · Mar 12th, 2004, 01:18 PM

I like my beat 87 turbo the best- its fast and finally I dont have to shift (im getting lazier in my old age)

**morepower2** · Mar 13th, 2004, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JAMESZ

Also why would you buy a Z33 for the engine? The Z33 engine is no technical marvel and if you are a tuner it will get you nowhere. This is why the new Z33 race car that Nissan is putting out is a 3.0 litre 6 Twin Turbo the new 3.5 can't handle to much power and its NA. The Z32 TT has a much better engine then the Z33 1st of all if you want to make power the NA Z33 will get you nowhere whereas the Z32 TT (300HP) and the Z31T will take you way above what the Z33 will ever get too. The Z33 can't handle to much boost and the engine so far doesn't seem to respond to well to forced induction and in the power world boost is a must.

Thr Z33 is a very good engine! It has a good stroke to rod length ratio, the bore spacing permits sleeving for a 100 mm bore which makes it a 4.3 liter motor, the crank and bottom end is stronger than a VG30DE, the crank is better supported and the jornals are bigger. The head flows better and it lighter.

The VQ35DE is better than the VG in all ways except the rods are weak in stock form and the open deck block can't take huge amounts of boost. Put in some rods, get the AEBS sleeves and the VQ will rock to the tune of 1000 hp if you put boost in it.

400 hp NA will be no problem either.

The engine will rsepond like crazy to boost.

Mike

KA24Tech · Mar 14th, 2004, 12:06 PM

Mike is right the rods on the VQ are the weak link but it is still good to 400 hp in stock form. If it was built like the VQ30DET in the Japanese CIMA then it would almost be overbuilt for the N/A factory applications. Nissan does a lighter weight rod to reduce rotational mass which allows the engine to rev quicker, have less internal stress and allow for marginally better fuel economy as well as being cost effective. I would think the use of head studs, better rods (i.e. titanium), and a set of metal head gaskets would make for a very capable 500-600 hp turbo engine. I also believe the head design is superior to the VG in stock form and would like to see what an experienced porter can do to the VQ.
Of course that is my opinion...

Troy