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post #1 of 23 Old Jan 17th, 2005, 09:57 PM Thread Starter
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stubborn idle, AAC valve???

the haynes tells me to run the engine to warm, then backprobe one of the terminals of the AAC and that i should see 4v-8v dropped. was wondering if you did this before, cause im not sure im doing it right. im backprobing with the (+) probe and grounding the (-) probe to ground... this correct? cause i'm showing a full 13...volts. also, i think i remember if you unplug the AAC while the engine's on, you should hear some change in RPM.... but i dont hear any difference now. hayne's says if the above volt test dont work, to have the ECU inspected... hmm... or i wonder if my AAC is bad?

been having loping/slightly rough idle, and so far i've come to this... although im still looking for something else that might be causing it to not work.

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just replaced:
some hoses - no leaks that i can tell.
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post #2 of 23 Old Jan 17th, 2005, 10:38 PM
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Try manually pulling the error codes from the ecu. That should help, if there is a code stored. Cause the way it sounds your check engine/ service engine light isnt on.
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Cleaning my IACV helped stumbling and hesitation, but idle was OK otherwise. My problem was carbon build up. It is easy to remove on this car, to check, or clean. I posted pictures of the cleaning and the test for resistance. Not familiar the procedure from Haynes. I used Alldata. Don't know that a bad IACV will set a code. Mine did not set a code, but it was only dirty. Do a search for what I did. Maybe it will give you some ideas

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it will not set a code if it is bad all the time. Mine didn't. It's a $135 part. If you really think it's bad, it's easy to replace. 2 Screws.

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christ, $135? -_- well, i cleaned it out but it didnt help. the idle was loping before but seems to have stopped. but the idle still feels rough.

normally, if you unplug the aac, does the idle change?
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well loping is still there, bounces between 600 and 900. resistance test checks out, the voltage back probe i havent done, since haynes doesn't really make it clear which wire to test, and i dont wanna test the wrong one and end up screwing something up. the idle is supposed to change when you unplug it, and i get no change what-so-ever. not sure if its the aacv or knowing my luck, the ECM/ECU. oh well.

i might get another aacv for the hell of it, any brand i should/shouldn't get? the store listed several on their comp (bosche makes one, but i think i should stay away from em given their rep with the sentra). i might also just try grabbing one from a JY.
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well loping is still there, bounces between 600 and 900. resistance test checks out, the voltage back probe i havent done, since haynes doesn't really make it clear which wire to test, and i dont wanna test the wrong one and end up screwing something up. the idle is supposed to change when you unplug it, and i get no change what-so-ever. not sure if its the aacv or knowing my luck, the ECM/ECU. oh well.

i might get another aacv for the hell of it, any brand i should/shouldn't get? the store listed several on their comp (bosche makes one, but i think i should stay away from em given their rep with the sentra). i might also just try grabbing one from a JY.
Did you clean the Throttle Body? I mean really clean it so all the smaller holes are clear. If not, I would try that, it may help with some of your problems.

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Did you clean the Throttle Body? I mean really clean it so all the smaller holes are clear. If not, I would try that, it may help with some of your problems.
well, true, i never tried really cleaning it out. i just cleaned out the chamber and plate. i checked it already, rather clean, but then again i never tried cleaning out all the smaller holes... mainly cause i didn't wanna bother with ordering the gasket and waiting.... but i'll try it when the car gets back.

i left it with a small shop to do just a diag on it.... not really my idea, but there's no arguing (sp?) with my pop who insisted. his money, so~..... i just hope they dont screw it up or something...or just retard the timing instead of finding the real problem. my pop knows the guy, but i dont.

thnx for the advice, gonna see what happens. if i find a solution i'll update (lot of search results on idle probs end with suggestions, but only a few update and say what fixed it, or if it got fixed.).
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look in the fsm.

hot chicks aren't going to be like...."hey i think i'm tired of these buffed guys on stage with big dicks and shaved balls...but wow, check out that fat balding nerd with hair coming out of his turtleneck sitting in the corner there...mmmmm"
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look in the fsm.
ok, i've been seeing this abbreviation for a while.... didnt ask cause i didn't wanna sound dumb, but.... FSM = Factory Service Manual ????

isn't that the same they use at the stealership? expensive?
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You can download it here>>>>
Its quite large thoe.
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You can download it here>>>>
Its quite large thoe.
Cool. this will cover the ga16de 1.6L tho, right? ....but doesn't cover the b13?

EDIT: n/m, yea its only the b14 but it still covers the ga16 dunno about 1.6L or not, or if it matters here.

thanx! looks like i'll be busy thumbing through this for a while.

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hey, after i remove the TB to clean it, am i going to need to put any sealant with the new gasket, or can i just torque it on dry???
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Say ya I've been searching for weeks now trying to get to the bottom of this stalling my car has once I'm driving and coming to a stop or slowing down, I push in the clutch to down shift when my rpms goes up and stays there for a lilthen drops. Sometimes it goes up and down, up and down when coming to a stop or when slowing down with the clutch in. I've cleaned the IACV, heck I've even tried the one my cuzin has on his 200sx still same thing happen. Next I've check the vacuum lines all where fine, push the egr up and down to see is the car bogs and it almost died so I guess is not sticking. Clean the tb several times already within the last 2 months thinking that was the problem.
I've yet to check the timing with a gun ever since I put in a UR pulley do ya think that might be the problem. I didnt want to ask at first thats why I've checking the old threads and post but still the car does this, any input on this will be helpful, NF nerds? j/j

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Say ya I've been searching for weeks now trying to get to the bottom of this stalling my car has once I'm driving and coming to a stop or slowing down, I push in the clutch to down shift when my rpms goes up and stays there for a lilthen drops. Sometimes it goes up and down, up and down when coming to a stop or when slowing down with the clutch in. I've cleaned the IACV, heck I've even tried the one my cuzin has on his 200sx still same thing happen. Next I've check the vacuum lines all where fine, push the egr up and down to see is the car bogs and it almost died so I guess is not sticking. Clean the tb several times already within the last 2 months thinking that was the problem.
I've yet to check the timing with a gun ever since I put in a UR pulley do ya think that might be the problem. I didnt want to ask at first thats why I've checking the old threads and post but still the car does this, any input on this will be helpful, NF nerds? j/j
Yeah, I had this same problem. I couldn't find it either and I cleaned the IACV, throttle body, EGR, timing to 13*, and I could not figure out why the car did that. Only did it when it was warm though. The only thing I could think of that I didn't replace was the throttle cable. Try taking it off and letting WD40 run through the inside and see if it changes anything. It's cheap and you may get lucky.

Solidox2K: I didn't use anything on the gasket, there didn't look like there was any old RTV on there anyway. Sealed up fine and didn't leak as far as I could tell listening with a length of hose.

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