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Old Dec 1st, 2004, 02:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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GA16 cams questions

I have a couple of questions, would you help me?

First Question:

How is the VTC device attached to the GA16DE cams (or if it's at all) and if it isn't how are the cams moved by the VTC?

Second Question:

Are the GA16DE cams interchangeable with the GA16DS´s?

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PS: I got so much trouble on my mind.....
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Old Dec 1st, 2004, 04:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a couple of questions, would you help me?

First Question:

How is the VTC device attached to the GA16DE cams (or if it's at all) and if it isn't how are the cams moved by the VTC?

Second Question:

Are the GA16DE cams interchangeable with the GA16DS´s?

Thx....

PS: I got so much trouble on my mind.....
The VTC solonoid is on the Intake cam. The intake cam gear is connected to it. As for whether the DE cams are interchangeable with the DS cams I'm not 100% sure. The DE has VTC and the DS dont. As for fit, yes, they will fit but I'm not sure about how they will work considering VTC relations. Hopefully Lew chimes in here soon with the answer.

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I don't know much about the DS engine but the VTC is oil pressure operated. I don't know if the block of the DS has the hole drilled... there is also electronic controls on the VTC DE head which control the pressure to the VTC unit I believe.

I'm kinda fuzzy right now cuz I took some drugs a second ago... i maybe wrong in all this but I'm too lazy to check in the FSM right now. DL the B14 FSM from the sticky and check it out.
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I don't know much about the DS engine but the VTC is oil pressure operated. I don't know if the block of the DS has the hole drilled... there is also electronic controls on the VTC DE head which control the pressure to the VTC unit I believe.

I'm kinda fuzzy right now cuz I took some drugs a second ago... i maybe wrong in all this but I'm too lazy to check in the FSM right now. DL the B14 FSM from the sticky and check it out.
The DS head has a different shape to it than the DE head. I just check the recent thread that the one guy asked about cams for a DS motor and if you look at the pic of his motor the front(passenger side) of the motor is a straight line where as the DE head bumps out where the intake cam is for the VTC solonoid. Basically DE cams will work in a DS motor but you can't use the VTC solonoid cuz it won't fit. Not sure if it would be a gain in power though since the DE cams were designed along with the VTC. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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Hi Enrique
Maybe you should send your stock cams to the us for some cutting (discrete profile )
Crane? Web? Isky?
Who has experience sending a cam to any of them for cutting?
How long would it take?
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Thx for your comments Mitch, in fact that guy was me (the one who asked about the DS cams) and that picture is from my engine hehehehhe..... .

The thing is that I wanted to know if the DE cams were different in shape compared to the DS cams, or if there was a device attached to them to make the VTC work (what you’ve already answered and if I understood right the “device” (solenoid) is attached to the cam sprocket not to the cam.

The point is that if the cams are equal in shape there is a slight possibility that they will work; now will they work?? Will they increase the power even though there’s no VTC?? Or is the VTC just to improve their functioning?, or can I just set them to a fixed position a sacrifice a little for example bottom end power???


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PS: I wish I had an SR20DE............
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Hi Enrique
Maybe you should send your stock cams to the us for some cutting (discrete profile )
Crane? Web? Isky?
Who has experience sending a cam to any of them for cutting?
How long would it take?
Thanks in advance
Jose, I don’t wanna cut my own cams, I did it with previous cams (and you know who did it) and it didn't work, that's why I would like to buy some “performance recognized” cams. SO please if anyone can help me with it.

Plus, remember, we are in Peru, I would have to send my own cams all the way to the states, wait for someone to cut them, and the get them back here.... to much money, to much time.

Thx....

PS: Damn I should get an SR20DE....
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The JWT cams are the only ones worth a snot. Otherwise do that swap you seem to want to do.
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They can cut stock cams...
Thats why I was quoting recognized cam brands...
Anyway, you are making lots of hp (and lots of low and mid rpm torque) for a na carburated engine with stock cams
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The JWT cams are the only ones worth a snot. Otherwise do that swap you seem to want to do.
I agree with you Wes, that's precisely why I'm asking about the JWT cams cause I’ve heard they’re the best in the market.

And about the swap, I wish I could do that, but here in Peru, the SR20’s are not so easy to find, that’s why I would try to squeeze all the HPs from my carburated GA16 and I think that the JWT cams would be the ones for that job, but I still don’t know if they’ll fit.

So will they work?? Will they increase the power even though there’s no VTC?? Or is the VTC just to improve their functioning?, or can I just set them to a fixed position a sacrifice a little for example bottom end power???

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I agree with you Wes, that's precisely why I'm asking about the JWT cams cause I’ve heard they’re the best in the market.

And about the swap, I wish I could do that, but here in Peru, the SR20’s are not so easy to find, that’s why I would try to squeeze all the HPs from my carburated GA16 and I think that the JWT cams would be the ones for that job, but I still don’t know if they’ll fit.

So will they work?? Will they increase the power even though there’s no VTC?? Or is the VTC just to improve their functioning?, or can I just set them to a fixed position a sacrifice a little for example bottom end power???

Thx
I would call JWT and get their input. I believe they will work and make more HP than stock.
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