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GA16DE 1.6L Engine Engine Discussion: 91-99 Sentra, 95-98 200SX, 91-93 NX1600

       
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Old Nov 29th, 2004, 02:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Not Starting in cold weather.

I need some help here. My car had this same problem last winter. My car is a 96 sentra GXE 1.6 automatic.

Every time it gets close to freezing my car will not start. I'll get it fixed and it will run ok in the cold weather but then after several weeks when we have a day were it gets above 40degrees or so then drops below freezing it won't start again. I had to take it to the mechanic 4 times last year and it started doing this again last weekend. After the first time it was free repairs to fix the problem that they didn't solve.

Every time they would take the plugs out and they would be soaked in Gas. My mechanic said that it seems to be puting to much gas in when you turn the key. It may also be adding gas while the car is off. But when they check the fuel system the flow rates and pressures are at a normal level. I am also geting great spark and there is no hesitation in its pattern.
He always told me that if it sounds flooded to just push the gas pedal down and it will cut off the injectors and it will start...it dosn't do that for me.

They checked my timing the second time it did this and it was 22 degrees past TDC...way over the stock setting. They reset it to the stock specs but it didn't solve the problem.

I had a new starter and new power wires and the grounds redone about a year ago. A new alternator about 2 years ago. I put in an optima Red top battery last november. I also put on a new distributor cap and wires 1 1/2 years ago.

I'm wondering if the car siting in the warm shop makes the problem subside for a while.
Could it be that the cold weather is messing with the fuel system and making gas flow in to the motor even while its off? Also I have recently started to hear that metalic scraping sound that the timing chain guides make when they wear out could this affect it at all either?

I decided this summer that if my car did the same thing again this winter it would be the last it spends with me. I'll be rid of it this next year.
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Old Nov 29th, 2004, 03:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I need some help here. My car had this same problem last winter. My car is a 96 sentra GXE 1.6 automatic.

Every time it gets close to freezing my car will not start. I'll get it fixed and it will run ok in the cold weather but then after several weeks when we have a day were it gets above 40degrees or so then drops below freezing it won't start again. I had to take it to the mechanic 4 times last year and it started doing this again last weekend. After the first time it was free repairs to fix the problem that they didn't solve.

Every time they would take the plugs out and they would be soaked in Gas. My mechanic said that it seems to be puting to much gas in when you turn the key. It may also be adding gas while the car is off. But when they check the fuel system the flow rates and pressures are at a normal level. I am also geting great spark and there is no hesitation in its pattern.
He always told me that if it sounds flooded to just push the gas pedal down and it will cut off the injectors and it will start...it dosn't do that for me.

They checked my timing the second time it did this and it was 22 degrees past TDC...way over the stock setting. They reset it to the stock specs but it didn't solve the problem.

I had a new starter and new power wires and the grounds redone about a year ago. A new alternator about 2 years ago. I put in an optima Red top battery last november. I also put on a new distributor cap and wires 1 1/2 years ago.

I'm wondering if the car siting in the warm shop makes the problem subside for a while.
Could it be that the cold weather is messing with the fuel system and making gas flow in to the motor even while its off? Also I have recently started to hear that metalic scraping sound that the timing chain guides make when they wear out could this affect it at all either?

I decided this summer that if my car did the same thing again this winter it would be the last it spends with me. I'll be rid of it this next year.
How does the car run when it does turn on? If the car runs strong when you get it started, just take it to the dealer. It is a problem with the computer putting in too much fuel and it would be hard to track it down. If I were you i would just take the fuse out that controls the fuel and turn the car over a few times. This should burn out all of the fuel in the cylinders. Hopefully when you put the fuse back you can turn it over and it will start. One thing i would check is fuel pressure and injectors as they may be stuck open.
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The car sounds good...except for the scraping sound (think its the timing chain guides). Other than that it sounds good.

They checked the injectors and the pressure and they are all just a tad bit below factory spec...just like normal wear but nothing that would indicate they are stuck open.
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What about leaky injectors? The colder it gets, the more they may leak as things contract.
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Well I talked to the shop that worked on my car last year. They said they don't know enough about nissans to do anyother tests to it. So I took it to the dealership. I know its going to be more expensive but I can't afford to have my car die on me every couple weeks.
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Well the dealership called me back. They took the plugs out, then leaned them off and it fired up. Exactly what was done before...but I do it and it dosn't work at all...I think it has to do with the warm shop.
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Well the dealership called me back. They took the plugs out, then leaned them off and it fired up. Exactly what was done before...but I do it and it dosn't work at all...I think it has to do with the warm shop.
I used to work in one of those warm shops [at a Nissan dealer]. Whenever the first really cold day hit each winter, we saw some GA16DE's do this pretty regularly. Some had bad water temp sensors. They are cheap and easy to replace. Make sure there isn't any green corrosion in the connector too. Other's needed at bit more idle air and would be cured by turning the AAC valve adjustment screw out a quarter turn or so [which will raise the idle slightly]. If the car has been flooded several times, we always change the oil to get the gas soaked oil out of it, which was aggravating the problem. Never use anything heavier than 5W-30.
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P.S. I never tried this, but I have been told by a customer that she has this happen to her car so many times each winter that she now knows what to do. She puts the accellerator on the floor and holds it there until it starts. Evidently, flooring the car while cranking shuts off the injectors and allows it to clear out.
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Priceless info! Nothing like first hand tech info! I also have a Saturn. Very common part that fails is the water temp sensor/engine temp sensor. Guess I will check my Sentra now. Thanks blownb31!
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Please post a solution to this if you find one. I am currently having the EXACT same problem as you, only after cleaning the plugs, I can not get the car to start. I wonder if it's because the car is in the cold garage.
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Please post a solution to this if you find one. I am currently having the EXACT same problem as you, only after cleaning the plugs, I can not get the car to start. I wonder if it's because the car is in the cold garage.
My original post offered you three solutions. However, I did forget one additional detail. Most people don't know this, but the B14 GA's only have one compression ring. So when they get flooded, they sometimes loose compression. You crank the car over and it literally sounds like it has no compression. All you have to do to get it going again is to take out the plugs and squirt a little engine oil into the cylinders. Then it will have enough compression to start and everything will return to normal. I have seen people buy a Sentra in this condition for pennies. The owner thought the engine was shot. My friend got one like that. It sounded like the timing chain was broken and the valves were bent. He towed it over my place, I did the oil in the cylinders deal and we had it running perfectly in 10 minutes. He's still driving the car. It now has 214-K on it.
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Actually, what got it started was pinching off the fuel line to the injectors with a pair of pliers, then cranking it with the pedal floored until it started and immediately letting go of the fuel line. You need a friend to do it, unless you're quick with putting the fuel pump fuse back in (another way to shut off fuel supply).
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Actually, what got it started was pinching off the fuel line to the injectors with a pair of pliers, then cranking it with the pedal floored until it started and immediately letting go of the fuel line. You need a friend to do it, unless you're quick with putting the fuel pump fuse back in (another way to shut off fuel supply).
I've done it that way too. Be careful what pliers you use though.
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