Who has Pacesetter headers

Classic XE · May 6th, 2002, 02:36 PM

How good are the Pacesetter headers compared to the much more expensive HotShots?

XtremE · May 6th, 2002, 02:50 PM

i have the PS header
the HS is better looking, performing and comes with a down pipe
PS is cheaper, stock rusty lookin, but still a great bang for the buck

LexKyB13 · May 6th, 2002, 06:45 PM

i have a ps header, and from what i've heard from friends with the hs, they can't tell a difference between theirs and mine (with same mods) it is better bang for your buck.

jingjing · May 6th, 2002, 07:44 PM

I like mine.

myoung · May 6th, 2002, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by LexKyB13
i have a ps header, and from what i've heard from friends with the hs, they can't tell a difference between theirs and mine (with same mods) it is better bang for your buck.

I think you need new friends then,,,,lol

It's like anything else... do you want the cheap plastic shift knob from Walmart or you want a Momo?..Do you want K-Mart tires or a good brand??. The bottom line is you get what you pay for...... in no way shape or form is the pacesetter anything like the Hotshot Header. Put them side by side and you'll be amazed at the difference.

The Pacesetter is a direct copy of the 1st gen Hotshot...minus the downpipe which has a flex joint...That alone makes a lot of difference in both price and performance... The Hotshot is now on like Gen 5 on the SR20 and Gen 4 on the GA....each generation has shown improvment in all areas.....so its kinda hard to say they are the same.

I would say...save your money and buy the Hotshot.. You won't have to replace it after two years and it will look good and make a lot more power.

Michael

**wes** · May 6th, 2002, 08:56 PM

As stated the HS is DYNO proven to make more power. Not a seat of the pants assessment! Anyway the MAIN difference is that the PS is a copy of the HS first gen. ( as mike stated), this is bad because the wrong primaries are paired on the header, this is the main reason HS released the 2nd (and beyond) gen. of the GA16 header. Yes the Pace Setter is better than the stock manifold, no it is not better than the Hot Shot.

By Nature · May 6th, 2002, 09:35 PM

according to dyno comparos of Pacesetter vs Hotshot on 2.0 engine** here are some numbers:
Hotshot:
3.1 HP average power gain from 4400-7400rpm
2.6 LB-FT average TQ gain 4400-7400rpm

Pacesetter:
2.6 HP average power gain from 4400-7400rpm
2.2 LB-FT average TQ gain 4400-7400rpm

here are pics

now I am not advertising any of them, but one can make his/her decision whether they want to spend $200 or $400 based on these figures*

*last official figures that I am aware of
** 1.6 gains are probably similar, if not closer to each other

**wes** · May 6th, 2002, 09:42 PM

Those are specs. for the SR20. The GA models have never been dynoed. back to back. ANother thing to consider is ultimate power potentil, with the primaries paired wrong on the PS this will limit power as you get in too more serious bolt ons like the cams and such. It really depends on goals and budget. Clearly the HS offers better performance, but that comes with a price. Do you want to pay or don't you, it's that simple.

By Nature · May 6th, 2002, 09:52 PM

Original Post: How good are the Pacesetter headers compared to the much more expensive HotShots?

Unfortunately I don't have dyno pics of comparos done for 1.6L.. true 1.6 and 2.0 are not the same engine, but it's the closest (and probably fairly accurate) figures that are available that could be used to estimate gains in 1.6.

myoung · May 6th, 2002, 10:11 PM

do you have a rust comparision too?...lol

By Nature · May 6th, 2002, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by myoung
do you have a rust comparision too?...lol

hehe.. I dunno.. lets ask wes about his header... rumors floating someone is sending it for recoating.... haha... I'm just jk.. I hope I didn't give out any personal or incorrect info..

myoung · May 6th, 2002, 10:26 PM

if that's true it would probably be because Wes wants the new shiny show look.... I bet it's not because it's rusting away... or maybe Wes is waiting for the Pacesetter Turbo Manifold

**wes** · May 6th, 2002, 10:40 PM

This is becoming a soap opera! Anyway, yes, my Header is flaking near the primary to secondary connection, but I can tell you why that is, I had a minor exhaust leak at that connection and it has cause some of the coating to flake off a bit. Look at it this way, at least the coating has lasted QUITE a while ( the majority of it is fine) whereas the PS is known to completely flake upon startup. Greg can attest to this. No one is saying that the PS is a POS, we are simply saying the HS is currently the best product on the market, not the best product for every budget/enthusiast.

Anyway, the header is going bye bye the day BEFORE the turbo kit is released

If it's any indication, after my experience with the CAI and header I am going to drop quite achunk of change for another HS product.

By Nature · May 6th, 2002, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by wes
No one is saying that the PS is a POS, we are simply saying the HS is currently the best product on the market, not the best product for every budget/enthusiast.

I think this thread has stayed pretty neutral on both sides and informational... until now: damn crickets! lol.. ok thats it..

XtremE · May 6th, 2002, 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by myoung
do you have a rust comparision too?...lol

laugh all you want but people pass emissions in california, even the visual cause the ps looks like stock do to the rust