Originally posted by rios ***look around, scared***
gee guys, we should all be happy we're getting a turbo kit! it takes time to see what works and what doesnt, on MT and AT as well. who knows, maybe one day we will have 600horsepower ga16des....its never been teseted before, so you never know what can happen
***ducks out of room before anyone can throw a chair at him***
Hey, I agree with you. I'm happy about the turbo kit, but I'm also depressed about my car situation. I hate wasting money, and if I went turbo, I would throw away almost $1000 on NA modifications that replaced the previous $500 of bad modifications (2-1/4" exhaust with louvered muffler, bad ractive intake). Not to mention the sportlines and gr-2 setup for my suspension. If I could only start over from scratch.... I wouldn't have done a factory engine swap with warranty... I wouldn't have purchased a warrantied auto transmission.... etc.... So I'm half and half, one side of me (left brain) says go turbo while the other side (right brain) says NA.
It's awesome how HS and all the other people (mike) that put effort into the kit, created a production item! HS needs to slow down a little bit and re-organize themselves and create a price & parts list for a stage I kit. They also need to work on their website (too many dead links if you go to the 1.6 200sx section). Also, there needs to be clarification on their website about the size of the downpipe. Someone could be thinking it's a 4" downpipe, or even a 5" downpipe if they did not look at NPM. They should include a MAF and filter in the stage II kit.
I think the price for this turbo kit is just a little high. This is just comparing greddy's turbo kits for other 1.6 sized cars. Just a thought.... gotta be competitive between the Nissan and Honda markets... (Someone looks at the 200sx (ga16de) turbo kit $3134, then looks at a Civic EX turbo kit $1995. Which one would you want?)
Man, I wish someone could dyno the Mathermotorsports Rebuilt GA16DE for a NA comparison.
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Originally posted by dho
I think the price for this turbo kit is just a little high. This is just comparing greddy's turbo kits for other 1.6 sized cars. Just a thought.... gotta be competitive between the Nissan and Honda markets... (Someone looks at the 200sx (ga16de) turbo kit $3134, then looks at a Civic EX turbo kit $1995. Which one would you want?)
The GA16DE turbo kit... I don't have a Civic. It's the price you pay to stand out from the crowd...
I understand. I just found a dyno of a civic with the D16Y8 with a jackson supercharger ($3000) and he only did 137 hp and 120 ft/lbs. of torque to the wheels. Power to the GA16DET! 162.1 whp and a 149.8 ft. lbs of torque
Go Nissan!
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i think im gonna get the turbo next year and in the emantime do appearenace upgrades. by then,all the bugs will have worked out and it will fine tuned. and the thing about the auto tranny will (hopefully) be resolved
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$3k isnt a bad price for a turbo kit.......especially one that uses stainless steel through out. a 321 stainless steel manifold can take a lot more heat and stress and wont crack like many other tubular or cast maniz.
not to mention that it sounds like this is a complete bolt on kit! you get everything except a fuel pump, fpr, and engine management..most likely, if u sourced all the components by themselves......it would cost u a bit more than $3k
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Big front mount ICs look really good on almost any car! Hidden air to water ICs look even better!
as far as the car/tranny/engine reliability and longevity goes, if its a daily driver your not going to be boosting all the time, which means you wont be producing your peak hp all the time...think about it, how long does a drag race last? the biggest factor of them all though, is tuning. with out it you wont be boosting for long.
id like to thank the people who have been working on Project GA16DET. they have been working really fast to give us better options to make our cars faster.
why is it that someone also tries to point out the downsides of something that should be praised? i hope you all can appreciate what they are doing for us cause i know i will when i get one
AznVirus, i believe everyones pointing out teh downsides because its really expensive to do all this stuff, and everythings gotta be pretty damn perfect. well, one year minus one day and im getting it...lol
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So I'm half and half, one side of me (left brain) says go turbo while the other side (right brain) says NA.
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Same here. I'm considering 2 options....do my suspension then save for turbo, or do my suspension and continue bolt-ons. I would really hate to see $1400 in header and exhaust go down the drain...but turbo seems like a better option. My mind is in constant turmoil. Maybe I should leave these turbo threads alone and call up Hotshot to see whats right for me. But thanks anyway guys, Mike, Mike, and everyone, keep it going. I might be one of the auto GA16DETs
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Originally posted by AznVirus id like to thank the people who have been working on Project GA16DET. they have been working really fast to give us better options to make our cars faster.
why is it that someone also tries to point out the downsides of something that should be praised? i hope you all can appreciate what they are doing for us cause i know i will when i get one
we know that a lot more people are excited to see this through..
I know sometimes people get anxious to see the end product and it may seem slow at times from a prospective of someone on the outside, but I can tell you a lot of people have been working on this and we have been very concerned that we do it right the first time. The prototype manifold actually changed like three times, we even changed turbos early on... this did take time but the end result will be a safe kit that produces the most hp possible.
I also know there are a lot more people that appreciate the efforts and are happy with our results than people that are not...
Stage 2 testing will begin shortly... once the bolt on kit is tuned and tested we plan on pushing the limits as Mike stated earlier. But our first priority is once again to help Hotshot produce a safe streetable kit.
If you are concerned about the price...which is very understandable do a little math and research... a SR20 swap is not exactly cheap...once you do that you have a stock SR20...now add the bolt ons.... that price will be higher much than the turbo kit and guess what ....you will still have less power when you are done... The other option is a SR20DET... not cheap....lol
all the bolt-ons for a Civic SI = $2500
The face of the same SI owner when he
gets smoked by a 1.6 Nissan = Priceless
i have a question: all this talk of jim wolfs ecuis is all well and good, but hasnt he only decoded the ecus for b14s from 95 to 97? whjat about owners of 98s and 99s? i have a 99 and i want this turbo kit in the future, so what gives?
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Originally posted by myoung
all the bolt-ons for a Civic SI = $2500
The face of the same SI owner when he
gets smoked by a 1.6 Nissan = Priceless
TRUE, OH HOW TRUE!!!! LOL
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I've been concerned about that ever since I first heard of JWT. It's plastered all over the place that JWT only makes ECUs for 95 to 97 models. I always wondered what was different about 98 and 99 as far as the computer is concerned. Emissions? I don't know. I have a 99 and I'm very interested in the progress of this kit and eventually I'll do it to mine, but what's the deal with the ECUs?
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