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GA16DE 1.6L Engine Engine Discussion: 91-99 Sentra, 95-98 200SX, 91-93 NX1600

       
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Old Jul 12th, 2008, 07:02 AM   #31 (permalink)
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That said, disconnecting the primary wires in the coil would be a wise idea. Fumes and sparks may lead to unplanned boom situation.
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Old Jul 12th, 2008, 07:28 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Yup agreed on the system clean up for sure! But all that being said the injectors will still need attention.
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Old Jul 12th, 2008, 07:36 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Old Jul 26th, 2008, 09:07 PM   #34 (permalink)
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GAH!!!!!

alright i had the injectors cleaned and the middle two still arent working!!! i know that they spray but they arent getting fuel or something!! my mechanic is thinking that it could be the distributor cap and rotor or fuel pump or fuel filter. after i try and run the car it leaks oil out of the top right he thinks its building crank case pressure. any body know whats going on?!
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Old Jul 27th, 2008, 07:27 AM   #35 (permalink)
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If it was me, I would pull the spark plugs out, ground/disable the coil and then crank the engine checking for fuel spraying out of the spark plug holes. Then, I would swap the wires that power the injectors between them, say 1 with 2 and 3 with 4. If the problem moves you know the injectors are guilt-free. After all, if they were cleaned, were they also bench tested?

If you want to test for spark, put the original plugs back in the car and then get an inductive timing light or an extra spark plug. For the extra plug, connect it to the wire for, say, cylinder 1 and then crank (finding a ground, of course). Does it spark? Go to the next one and keep on doing until you reach cylinder 4.

How does this car know when to fire? Hall sensor or crank angle sensor?
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Old Jul 27th, 2008, 10:22 PM   #36 (permalink)
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yeah we bench tested them and swapped the plugs with the other tow and it ran the same so we know the plugs are good. what should the voltage be for the wires that power the injectors and how do i test um? and i think its a crank angle sensor! can you explain to me how that works????
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Old Jul 28th, 2008, 04:59 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Ok, from what you are saying all the spark plugs are firing in the car and in order, right? And, you did check the distributor cap and rotor for any funny business (cracks and awful gaps and so on).

I am basing a lot of my suggestions on what I know about Bosch LH fuel injection system (it worked enough to help a friend get his JDM VETC swap working in his Honda ), so I may be missing something. In any case, both the injectors and the ignition should be getting info on when to fire based on where the crank angle sensor is. So, what I want to do is to see if the problem is affecting both or just one of them. i.e. if all the injectors work on the bench but when you crank the engine without spark plugs the two middle ones do not spray, we may have some electrical issues in the injection system. The same goes for the spark plugs; I have seen a car whose rear cylinder spark plug would not fire. It turned out to be a bad distributor hall sensor.

Now, when the key is in the ON position, each injector should be seeing 12V on its power wire. The ECU turns each injector on by grounding it; this is much easier to do electrically speaking than flicking the 12V side. Of course, once the engine is turning, if you measure the voltage across the two terminals in the fuel injector, it will show less than 12V because it is pulsing... kinda like on the primary side of the ignition coil.

Before we go any further, I would suggest to invest on a noid light. The cheapest set I have seen is the Harbor Freight one. You can then connect it to a fuel injector connector and then see if it flickers/pulses. If it does, you know the ECU is telling that injector to fire. If not, you may want to check the continuity between the ground wire at the injector and, say, the engine (it is a good ground) while cranking and see if it flickers (or turn the key to the on position and turn engine by hand until the ECU grounds that wire). If that wire is not being shorted to ground, we can do more tests.

I feel like I may be losing you, so let me go back to basics: you need compression, fuel, air, and spark. So, make sure each one of them is right. For spark, test for spark at the offending cylinder. For fuel, test for power to the injectors (noid and multimeter) and then for the injectors opening and spraying fuel.

The crank sensor angle thingie is something that has a unique mark to identify, say, the top dead center for cylinder 1 (or whatever reference they want). Then, it has a way to measure how many degrees the crank has moved per unit of time (a second?). With these two pieces of information, the ECU can figure out how fast the engine is turning and where the pistons are. This way it knows when it is time to spray fuel and light the combustion chamber.
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Old Jul 28th, 2008, 02:44 PM   #38 (permalink)
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decided to take the distributer cap off and there are some cracks/scratches thinking thats the problem got a new cap coming in the morning!
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Old Jul 29th, 2008, 12:56 PM   #39 (permalink)
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GAHH!!H!!!!!

new cap and rotor on same stupid problem!!! hey im thinking its the crank angle sensor tho because the two injectors work but dont spray when i run the car and doesnt that control if they spray or not?? also a while back it gave me a crank angle sensor code but i ran the diagnostic again and it said nothing?? can i test this or any other ideas?>??
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Old Jul 29th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #40 (permalink)
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i would clean the rotor disc that is in the distributor. if it still gives you a cel, then i would get a new crank angle sensor.
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Old Jul 30th, 2008, 07:57 AM   #41 (permalink)
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str8noobin,

I know you had them cleaned but thought I would add a tip for others that may have clogged injectors from old fuel. I had that problem on an older BMW and the solution for me was to disconnect the fuel line from the fuel rail, drain the fuel from the rail, flood it with carb/injector cleaner and let it sit for a day. Reconnected everything and it fired right up. Also be sure to flush out all of the old fuel.

Sorry that I don't have any input on where you should go from here.

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Old Jul 30th, 2008, 09:33 AM   #42 (permalink)
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thanks i ordered a new distributor im really hoping im right with the sensor.
cmccrkn, thanks for that yeah we took the fuel rail out with the injectors and it was clean and drained all the gas.
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Old Jul 30th, 2008, 09:33 AM   #43 (permalink)
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green bean what is a cel!?
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Old Jul 30th, 2008, 10:19 AM   #44 (permalink)
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green bean what is a cel!?
I believe he means Check Engine Light.
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Old Aug 1st, 2008, 02:39 PM   #45 (permalink)
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hey guys i got a new distributor onthe way but is there anything else it could be cuz thats all i can come up with plz let me know!
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