lol... lower the tank with fuel in it (cuz you can't run the engine dry and it's pretty nasty to suck fuel out of a tank)
pour it into something to save it... being careful to make sure it's sealed so you don't go to jail for fumes.
soak and clean (w/o water) (there's specialty shops for this too), soak the lines in solvant or gas.
oh, and cleaner is great if you use it on a regular basis, that's actually freakin awesome if you use it on a reg., but if you wait until the injector is already clogged, then it's going to a: be clogged and won't burn off the deposits, just clog more and b: because you waited there's so much crap in the tank and line that when you go to clean it, it will just clog new injectors.
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damn government and their incredibly expensive tickets, hows a good natured racer supposed to stay legit?
gd... if i could only make it past the lower class, i'd be rich. damn facists.
gah! i really dont feel like doing all that! is it hard to take out and put back in? what do you mean sealed so i dont go to jail!? and im low on funds so what should i clean it with?? and you say not to use water? thanks alot man
think of this...
go pick up 5 gallons of milk in the groc store up at once...
heavy huh?
now imagine this:
you're under your car...
you've got one bolt holding up 8-10 gallons OF GAS!...
all you've got is yourself and a covered jack so you don't go and poke a hole through the tank...
as you loosen that last bolt... which is usually on the inside of the chassis... (on the inside of the car going down the the top of the gastank you can't reach)...
it falls...
k.. now you've gotten the tank out w/ 10 gallons of gas still in it...
now's your time to cuss at it. (BUT DON'T KICK OR SMOKE AROUND IT)
well, you've got to store that gas somewhere AIRTIGHT (because a: it evaporates, and b: it's extremely bad for your oxygen), while you work on the tank... not only cuz you have to work on the tank, but because you also have to put the tank back in later..
and putting in a tank that weighs 30-40lbs is waaay better than trying to install a tank that weighs 100-150lbs.
...as for cleaning it... i'm sure there's a particular solvant or cleaner that does that job... but a: it's gonna be some strong shit, so get your eye/mouth/nose/skin protection, and b: you need somewhere you can use it and clean up later without it getting into the water system.
this is why there's even a specialty shop for gastanks.
this is why it's so expensive to have a badass car. ;] resources.
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damn government and their incredibly expensive tickets, hows a good natured racer supposed to stay legit?
gd... if i could only make it past the lower class, i'd be rich. damn facists.
To get the gas out I just relieve the pressure out of the fuel system via the valve, then unhook the fuel supply line from the engine and stick it into a gas tank then turn the key to run and let the fuel pump do it... Maybe I'm ghetto.....
Might be Ghetto but it's effective! In fact I was going to reply with the same suggestion! Not for nothing Bud but what makes you think that the injectors are bad? I'm currious because I would love to know what to look for when mine crap out?? I was thinking my old motor had an injector or fuel pump problem because the plugs were extreamly white. Then one of the guy's that wrenches on foriegn stuff told me that these cars run lean and reading pluggs is for old timers with Holey Dominators like myself! Lol!!
Last edited by schoust : Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:11 PM.
well my car wont idle unless i give it gas my mechanic disconnected the middle two while it was running and it didnt change how it ran so therefore he concluded they were clogged becausewe swapped plugs and they fired.
It could be spark plug wires.
Piston Rings
Head Gasket
Fuel injectors
Any number of things. I drove with cyliner 1 fuel injector unpluged to save gas because the piston rings were so bad. After it died, I tore off the head and found the pistons looked like this....
Tell him to do a compression test. If the nubers are under 80 lbs in any cylinder the engine is on it's way to being a 350 pound paperweight
Hey Bud there are a few companies out there that will take the injectors and ultrasonicly clean them for around a 100 bucks. Heck I thin k this is worth it with the way gas prices are these day's! Do a search on thios Forum I had a link but lost it due to HD crash...
Hey Bud there are a few companies out there that will take the injectors and ultrasonicly clean them for around a 100 bucks. Heck I thin k this is worth it with the way gas prices are these day's! Do a search on thios Forum I had a link but lost it due to HD crash...
the problem with that shoust, is that when you spend that cash on cleaning them you won't know if they'll stay unclogged. the problem he's having was originally the injectors. that's not the cause. the cause was dirty gas, and now a dirty system.
until you clean the tank and lines, i wouldn't waste money on injectors...
unless... you go pick up 4-6 injectors at a junkyard (same engine or interchangable)... (they're small enough to fit in your boots too...;]..) then grab a few fuel filters.
switch em out, and the filter, then run the car as long as the injectors last... they clog again, change em again... you'll get most of the loose crap out. possibly not having to clean the tank....
BUT! this is only a temporary fix, the benefit to this is a: you can schedule better when you're going to drop the tank (that draining into another gastank is a great way of doin it) and b: you'll have a ton of extra injectors, say you ever get a bad batch of gas in the upcoming New American Energy Revolution....
a very good thing to have around.
new ones cost around 180 i think??
junkyard ones that work, probably 20-free.
like that guy said.. cleanin em later for 100 a pop.... (extras sittin around)
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dblclutchn lik a mofo, save me that clutch
damn government and their incredibly expensive tickets, hows a good natured racer supposed to stay legit?
gd... if i could only make it past the lower class, i'd be rich. damn facists.
Fuel filters are $4. Why steal a used one when they're so cheap?
If your car isn't running on all 4 cylinders I would strongly recommend a compression test or a leakdown test to determine the condition of the piston rings and the cylinder walls.
One other cause of this problem could be sticky valves. Try using some Engine Restore oil additive with CSL if you want... It really does work for sticky valves and minor imperfections in the cylinder wall. I used some and it kept my GA16DE running on all 4 cylinders for a couple hundred more miles.
A good idea is to remove the breather hose and plug the hole in the inake with someones finger when you start the engine. With the breather hose off and the engine running see if smoke comes out of the hose. If a lot of smoke exits the hose you have worn piston rings. That smoke would be all the compressed fuel/air escaping the combustion chamber and entering the crankcase.
If you have a stethescope you can listen to the two center injectors and see if they're working that way. Listen for a light tick when the engine is running.
If you are 100% positive it's contaminated fuel or a rusty fuel tank the tank will have to come out of the car for repair, unfortunately.
Last edited by Platinum_Racing : Jul 9th, 2008 at 09:10 PM.
Buy yourself a noid light to make sure the injectors are being powered. Or, if you can, move the wires around the injectors and see if it changes things.
I do agree that doing a compression check now would be a wise idea.
After that, as others suggested, try to see if you can pull the injectors out of the intake and aim them somewhere, like this:
It may not be that easy in your car, but it is a sure way to see what is happening and should be done once you know the injectors are getting power and you have good compression. I was going to suggest having an extra fuel rail and perhaps build a jig but it may be more than you want to chew on right now. Incidentally, a friend of mine has the car pictured above and we found out the fuel rail is not getting fuel. We could have checked that before by cracking the fuel line a bit but in that car, getting the injectors out and aimed away like that was too easy. That said, disconnecting the primary wires in the coil would be a wise idea. Fumes and sparks may lead to unplanned boom situation.
thanks guys im going to try bg44 if that doesnt work im going to look at prices for cleaning from local shops if its too expensive il attempt to take um out and have them cleaned. aand im going to clean the fuel system before reinstalling them! thanks alot guys any more ideas let me know
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