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#1 Old Jan 14th, 2006, 06:05 PM
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Event Data Recorder

Fellow Frontiacs, there is a Trojan Horse in your truck. My new Fronty is equipped with an Event Data Recorder better known as the "Black Box." Similar to aviation black boxes, the Fronty device records crash specific data of the vehicle for purposes of post crash analysis. Vehicle speed, brake application, steering angle, air bag performance, and seat belt usage are some of the recorded data. Automotive black boxes are not uncommon and I hear that GM is a leader in installing them in their vehicles.

LE can download data from the black box in the investigation of an accident. I don't see how this is consistent with the 4th Amendment but is can happen. In civil cases, crash data apparantly is Discoverable. Are there any legal Frontiacs that can weigh in on this?

Here is the rub: You are not obligated to keep the black box hooked up. Nissan service will do the unhook but it will cost a service charge. Has anyone done this at Nissan or decoupled the black box themselves?
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Fellow Frontiacs, there is a Trojan Horse in your truck. My new Fronty is equipped with an Event Data Recorder better known as the "Black Box." Similar to aviation black boxes, the Fronty device records crash specific data of the vehicle for purposes of post crash analysis. Vehicle speed, brake application, steering angle, air bag performance, and seat belt usage are some of the recorded data. Automotive black boxes are not uncommon and I hear that GM is a leader in installing them in their vehicles.

LE can download data from the black box in the investigation of an accident. I don't see how this is consistent with the 4th Amendment but is can happen. In civil cases, crash data apparantly is Discoverable. Are there any legal Frontiacs that can weigh in on this?

Here is the rub: You are not obligated to keep the black box hooked up. Nissan service will do the unhook but it will cost a service charge. Has anyone done this at Nissan or decoupled the black box themselves?
the 4th amendment does not apply to civil litigation.

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4th amendment is protection against the government, not your fellow man in a civil lawsuit.

but, it could also (or may already be) ruled that having an EDR on your vehicle is in the best interests of justice, and is not an unreasonable search in the event of an accident.

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does anyone know where this " black box " is and is it something we can remove ourself's?
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does anyone know where this " black box " is and is it something we can remove ourself's?
Better still, is there some way we can hack into it and see what kind of data it is collecting?? The trip computer gives a lot of info but I would be curious to see what else is going on in there . . .

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