Originally posted by javierb14 here is a closeup of a charge pipe weld on my car. all of my TIG welds are of this quality.
heres a link to an extreme closeup of the same bead, large high res pic http://www.public.asu.edu/~ramirez0/...ld_closeup.jpg
Originally posted by FFgeoff As for your having "your own machine and the experience to back it. " id love to see some of your work. Im sick of self proclaimed internet fabricators who have CNC mills in their kitchens and a lathe or two in their living rooms.
Not to say that you are not a good fabricator, but I can vouch that the quality of Mike's stuff is pretty damn good. He is not a self-proclaimed Internet expert.
fair enough, i think i may have jumped on your back. The collector you use is what is known as a clover leaf, it is simply a stamped piece of steel and does not flow like a true merge collector.
Here are our collectors. I dont feel like having this turn into another internet pissing match, i just felt the need to stand up for our products.
Our collectors are true merge collectors with well defined points. here is a pic.
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Not to say that you are not a good fabricator, but I can vouch that the quality of Mike's stuff is pretty damn good. He is not a self-proclaimed Internet expert.
Thanks Mike.
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fair enough, i think i may have jumped on your back. The collector you use is what is known as a clover leaf, it is simply a stamped piece of steel and does not flow like a true merge collector.
You are correct in that statement, it is a cloverleaf design. We thought about using the burns collectors, but those are too expensive, and are not recomended for our application. We designed ours to flow like a tornado effect, to aid turbo spool up.
The inside definitely isn't as smooth as your collector (which is very nice btw I may have to get in contact with you on those) but it seems to work very well. The whole Idea of this design was going off of the recomendations of Corky Bell.
Originally posted by FFgeoff fair enough, i think i may have jumped on your back. The collector you use is what is known as a clover leaf, it is simply a stamped piece of steel and does not flow like a true merge collector.
Here are our collectors. I dont feel like having this turn into another internet pissing match, i just felt the need to stand up for our products.
Our collectors are true merge collectors with well defined points. here is a pic.
opps ment this one.
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Originally posted by FFgeoff fair enough, i think i may have jumped on your back. The collector you use is what is known as a clover leaf, it is simply a stamped piece of steel and does not flow like a true merge collector.
Here are our collectors. I dont feel like having this turn into another internet pissing match, i just felt the need to stand up for our products.
Our collectors are true merge collectors with well defined points. here is a pic.
Nice collector, I wanted to use a burns myself but its too long to fit wehere I want it to.
Originally posted by FFgeoff we can make any collector, in any length, angle or orientation you want. And its not the thin stuff like burns.
Do you have any photos of a header welded up, where you can look up inside the collector of the manifold (like the one I showed you earlier) If so I would love to see it.
heres a pic. Believe me, it wasnt my idea to run a split housing on this manifold!! The customer insisted over and over again he wanted this, so i ablidged him... it made 680 at the wheels tho so what do i know.
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He probably got the Idea from Lisa Kubo. Do you make those collectors yourself or do you have a supplier? What do they go for a piece? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are using stainless weld Ls correct? If so that is a good Idea, since they are incredibly thick and have very good heat properties.
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Originally posted by FFgeoff heres a pic. Believe me, it wasnt my idea to run a split housing on this manifold!! The customer insisted over and over again he wanted this, so i ablidged him... it made 680 at the wheels tho so what do i know.
We make the collectors oursleves, in house. literally. Everything is done here, the only thing we farm out is the head flanges. The collectors cost 289 each, and are cut anyway you specify.
The material is all schedule 40 long radius 304 weldels.
Lisa Kubos manifold was not a 4 into 1 merge like ours. It was split with cyls 1 and 4 and cyls 2 and 3, going into the split housing.
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Originally posted by FFgeoff heres a pic. Believe me, it wasnt my idea to run a split housing on this manifold!! The customer insisted over and over again he wanted this, so i ablidged him... it made 680 at the wheels tho so what do i know.
A split collector with 1-4 and 2-3 paired up makes a huge difference in a turbo motor. It can allow the motor to spool faster than going down a size in turbine housing. Or you can go up a size and keep nearly the same spool up and have less backpressure.
i would like to see your proof on that statement. There is a reason no one really is using them anymore, and everyone runs a 4 into 1 collector these days. The last couple of years most people were trying all sorts of different collector styles but if you see the majority of race car manifolds theyre all open 4-1s. I do agree that for the most part the split housings will work better, but that is usually on engines with 6 or more cylinders...
its just the same old 4-2-1 vs 4-1 argument.
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