I just bolted a GTi-R T28 onto my '93 SE-R, and absolutely love it. Yes, Zak, I know i'm really limited on psi with the 9.5:1 compression, but I've got to be honest here: At 7psi the car just scratches for traction.
My point?
Rob Cadle told me the T28 would do as much as I cared for on the street. IMHO, he was dead-on with that. I cannot imagine 305whp like Mike dyno'd on the street. It would just be too much in a FWD car, from what I've experienced.
I like the (still) good throttle response with the 9.5:1, and 7psi is just a hoot, in simple terms. If your engine is in good shape (mine just turned 151,000 miles, btw), why not start with a similar (T25 or T28) and just work your way up s-l-o-w-l-y to the really insane HP/boost levels?
I can only imagine 280whp on the street. Zak, I know your old SE-R was cranking out hp above that. It had to be a handful at times. Care to comment?
Originally posted by SERprise In WV Here's my .02, for what it's worth...
Rob Cadle told me the T28 would do as much as I cared for on the street. IMHO, he was dead-on with that. I cannot imagine 305whp like Mike dyno'd on the street. It would just be too much in a FWD car, from what I've experienced.
Thank you much, Mike. But let's be serious for a minute. Other than freeway bursts (which are highly addictive, I must add), how much of that 300hp is *really* needed/used on the street. Stop-and-go type traffic.
I just find my SE-R clawing for grip at 220hp or so, right now. It can be a handful.
Just my impressions. YMMV.
Thank you much, Mike. But let's be serious for a minute. Other than freeway bursts (which are highly addictive, I must add), how much of that 300hp is *really* needed/used on the street. Stop-and-go type traffic.
I just find my SE-R clawing for grip at 220hp or so, right now. It can be a handful.
Just my impressions. YMMV.
Yes, Zak, I know i'm really limited on psi with the 9.5:1 compression, but I've got to be honest here: At 7psi the car just scratches for traction.
100% right Greg. Sorry, in all my ramblings I probably never really made it clear that in a 2500 lb. SE-R, even only about 200 whp is actually pretty quick. Good for at least 14 flat at 100+ MPH. 250 whp (which is what you can get by going up to maybe 10 or 11 psi) should be good for closer to 104-106 MPH traps and mid 13s or possibly a bit better. That's absolutely nothing to sneeze at, it's easily enough to strike fear into the hearts of probably 90% of all cars on the road.
I was only discussing possibilities for given amounts of HP, really. I am still a huge fan of doing a straight DET swap, some minor improvments like a FMIC and a 3" exhaust system, turning the boost up to 10 psi and leaving it at that, like Geo's buildup on his G20. What a perfect daily driver that car is. With all the talk getting thrown around about 400 HP and 350 HP and whatever, people forget that 250 whp in an SE-R is enough to spin the tires to redline in 2nd gear, and to humiliate most cars on the street.
As far is my car is concerned, I can only give you impressions of what it was like during those 5 days it was running, mostly all at 10 psi which I figured was probably about 260 whp or so. I did have it running at 14 psi for a little while, and it was considerably faster... I'm guessing it went over 300 whp at that point but I can't prove it. But like any SE-R, it was a lot of fun to drive even off the boost. And when it's a daily driver in stop and go traffic, that's mostly what it is... off the boost that is. On surface streets that much boost isn't too usable... I mean you can use it but only for a couple seconds before you have to stop for the next light. Where it becomes really usable is on the freeway.
But it's the same problem with a Z28 for example, or a Viper... nobody driving a Viper in their right mind would floor it between stoplights... rate of acceleration is too high, danger of doing a 4-wheel drift through an intersection with all tires locked up becomes too high. That's the real problem, not traction necessarily. If you have room to run then higher HP makes a big difference.
I mean at 14 psi, passing cars was like... it was like my accelerator pedal was linked directly to the brake pedal of the car I'm passing. I mean I floor it and BAM, I'm in front of them. Stay on it and it looks like traffic is moving in reverse. It's kind of freaky because 130 MPH comes up so fast and with so little effort that you realize you had no idea you were going nearly that fast.
And I can at least relate directly somewhat to your car... my NX was a straight DET swap also, at stock boost. It made 194 HP at the wheels. And it was quick, anything over 3500 RPM in 1st gear was wheelspin. But with say 300 whp, it's just an entirely different universe. I look forward to eventually experiencing closer to 400 whp at some point.
I personally love my DET! I have a 92 SER with a BBDET swap, as for go fast goodies I have a JUN flywheel, JWT ECU, muffler shop exhaust, k&n filter, with a manual parts store boost controller.
I dyno'd my car right after the install on fouled plugs and pump fuel @ 7psi it made 198whp. I have swapped out the plugs, done some minor tunning, and worked the boost up to 12psi on 92 octane fuel. My car will destory my BFG drag radials in 3rd gear. I would guess I am making somplace close to 240whp at this point.
I took my car to one of the worse tracks around last week, and it went 12.7 @ 106 with a decent but not great 1.88 60' time this was on 12psi & pump gas just like a drive it every day. If my car will run this fast with nothing more than a stock swap, imagine what is possible!
Later
James
Last edited by ktrends : May 28th, 2002 at 06:34 PM.
i can get that GTI-R bluebird motor complete . If you are interested in the pricing let me know. All motors come ECU Tranny and stuff like that and low mileage as well
No the BB will bolt into the b13, b14, and the B15s. The problem you may have is with the OBDII systems in the b15s, and b14s. But you can swap it out with a OBDI by using the wiring harness from a Classic SE-R IIRC
any suggestions on websites or companies that are importing the engines relatively cheap? or as cheap as they can get that is. what does the normal swap run at a descent shop? could i do a manual tranny swap when the engine comes out? and would that be economicaly realistic?
Guys Im from Sydney Australia. I own a 1993 BB ATTESSA with the DET and AWD..Mods so far is stock internals, stock turbo, boost controller set to low 10psi and high 15 psi but capable of going to 18psi or more, when you bury the pedal.
I have a Custom GTR core Intercooler, BOV, 3 inch full exhaust system, Boost controller and k&N filter. Also in Australia we have gas rating 96 Octane..But my car premium 98 Octane sometimes with octane additives. From what you guys see Guess how many Horses I put out???? I also sometimes use 118 Octane race fuel.
Also I can hook up engines.. sr20det $1800 shipped complete with 100ron/rpm delimited ECU.
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