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Old May 27th, 2009, 11:08 PM   #46 (permalink)
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well its being done for free, so u couldnt be bad ??
I am not sure. Cryo treating relieves stress in the metal. I am no metallurgist but my thoughts are that because the bolts are designed to be torqued to the point that they yield (begin to stretch) that cryo treating will change the point at which the stretch. I am not saying this WILL cause issues only that it warrants some research from people smarter on this topic than myself (such as a metallurgist or someone HIGHLY educated on the subject).
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Old May 28th, 2009, 10:12 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I am not sure. Cryo treating relieves stress in the metal. I am no metallurgist but my thoughts are that because the bolts are designed to be torqued to the point that they yield (begin to stretch) that cryo treating will change the point at which the stretch. I am not saying this WILL cause issues only that it warrants some research from people smarter on this topic than myself (such as a metallurgist or someone HIGHLY educated on the subject).
yeah i understand what ur saying. i will ask him about it first. have u already sold ur car wes??
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Old May 28th, 2009, 10:26 AM   #48 (permalink)
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yeah i understand what ur saying. i will ask him about it first. have u already sold ur car wes??
I still have it and it's coming back as a project car!
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Old May 28th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I still have it and it's coming back as a project car!
whats the most u dyno'd? and u gonna kept the ga16de or go sr?
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whats the most u dyno'd? and u gonna kept the ga16de or go sr?
Heck I haven't dynoed in 4 years since I put down 252. No reason to really in how I use the car. I do plan on dynoing this season to see what it is putting down now.....

I plan on keeping the GA!
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people are saying that the stock rod bolts are weak cause they are only torq to 17-21 pounds, what u guys think mine were cyro treated along with my rods, dunno if that help bolts any but just wondering what u think wes anyone ?
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people are saying that the stock rod bolts are weak cause they are only torq to 17-21 pounds, what u guys think mine were cyro treated along with my rods, dunno if that help bolts any but just wondering what u think wes anyone ?
Cryo. treating fasteners is a tricky thing! It relieves stress in metal and as a result strengthens things. The difference here is how do you know what to torque these treated fasteners too?

Did you wind up doing the head bolts? I had an in depth conversation with a client of mine who is a PHD and the Chief metallurgist for a supplier who makes OEM parts for major automobile manufacturers. As I previously suggested he indicated he would NOT cryo treat them.
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Cryo. treating fasteners is a tricky thing! It relieves stress in metal and as a result strengthens things. The difference here is how do you know what to torque these treated fasteners too?

Did you wind up doing the head bolts? I had an in depth conversation with a client of mine who is a PHD and the Chief metallurgist for a supplier who makes OEM parts for major automobile manufacturers. As I previously suggested he indicated he would NOT cryo treat them.
no he told me not to do the head bolts.
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stjac any updates!!!!!??? i got mine back together today just gotta break it in blah, then i takin it to the dyno hahahaha
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So what is the reason the stock pistons crack between ring grooves? poor tune? cant be too much boost as a friends has just cracked at 0.8 bar boost
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Poor tune has to be the reason, lean mixtures, detonation, to much advance. Those are the things that can cause those problems
0.8 bars of boost isnt the problem by it self, I ran 1bar on a E16s and a bit over 1 bar on a GA16DE with no problems at all.
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Poor tune has to be the reason, lean mixtures, detonation, to much advance. Those are the things that can cause those problems
0.8 bars of boost isnt the problem by it self, I ran 1bar on a E16s and a bit over 1 bar on a GA16DE with no problems at all.
I totally agree. If you are breaking ring lands it is detonating.
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Old Aug 13th, 2009, 08:01 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Friend is currently looking for forged or the very close fitting honda 16 pistons (cant remember the number exactly) he did adjust a touch wrong and boost went right up so it ran lean Also he was running a GA14DET swapped in a GA16DE and swapped all the parts over although now we think its another GA14, gotta measure the bore tonight as the piston height is 3mm taller than id expect, still 200bhp wasnt bad lol
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