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Old Jan 9th, 2003, 03:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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supercharging

im curious as to how a supercharger hooks up to car. from what ive read, its easier to install than a turbo system, and seems easier to maintain.
to get it connected to the engine, is all i have to do just find a way to get it attached to the intake manifold and connected to the drive belts?any info would be greatly appreciated
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Old Jan 9th, 2003, 09:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I wouldn't say it's easier to install or maintain than a turbo. It's all in the components you use and how well you install it. If you have an SR20............your best option is to turbocharge it.

Personally, I think supercharging 4bangers is not that great.........I mean.....only 4banger I ever heard of that came with an s/c stock was the old MR2, and that lil thing only made like 12x hp.............................nearly all FI stock 4bangers now come turbocharged.
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Old Jan 9th, 2003, 01:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It would be 10 times harder then to install a turbo on an sr20 b/c there are no supercharger kits out there for an sr20. Not only that but turbochargers are more effecient.
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Old Jan 9th, 2003, 08:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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only 4banger I ever heard of that came with an s/c stock was the old MR2, and that lil thing only made like 12x hp
the new mini cooper makes ~160hp supercharged from the factory.

some may say that superchargers have "instant" power delivery...but a few centrifugal blowers on 4cylinders have more lag than a good sized turbo. not to mention that they usually only make power at high rpms. also, turning up the boost on a turbo is done with a boost controller....u need to change the pulley for a supercharger.
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Old Jan 11th, 2003, 05:33 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I have a vortech which is a belt driven turbo. Look at my website

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Old Jan 11th, 2003, 09:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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20th maxstyle, can I ask what the approx cost is to supercharge these motors? Any dyno #'s or track times?
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Old Jan 11th, 2003, 10:20 AM   #7 (permalink)
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It's not a belt driven turbo, it is a supercharger. Turbos are driven from exhaust gases, Superchargers are belt or pulley driven.

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Old Jan 11th, 2003, 01:47 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The 230 kompressors from Mercedes are s/ced 4bangers and those little things are pretty fast, although they would definitely make more power if they were turbo.
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Old Jan 12th, 2003, 05:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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From what I understand

A supercharger is driven by the crank so you only get about 60% of the power and it reacts faster then a turbo does. A turbo uses waste from the enigne so you use 100% of the power from the turbo. I have seen alot of supercharged civic si's and integra gsr's. But they have low torque and a supercharger makes up for that.
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so would it be worth putting one on a ga? i mean, in contrast to high compression pistons, not turbo
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Old Jan 13th, 2003, 02:32 AM   #11 (permalink)
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i like these superchargers
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Just a minor point here. You guys are mis-using terms. A supercharger is a pump to forced compressed air into an engine. A mechanical supercharger uses belts or gears to provide power to the compressor. A turbo-supercharger uses an exhaust-driven turbine to provide power to the compressor.

In both cases there is a supercharger (compressor). It's the compressor drive that differs. Make sure everyone understands that in the vernacular that "supercharger" refers to a mechanically-driven compressor while "turbo" refers to exhaust-driven compressor.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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boy bruce.. "bitter old man is right" LOL.. so .. can i use you as my teacher "Automobiles 101"
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so would it be worth putting one on a ga? i mean, in contrast to high compression pistons, not turbo

no. why would you want the supercharger? chances are likely that if you got the wrong s/c setup, your top end would still suck.


I still don't understand why 4banger drivers are so high on superchargers...............

a local kid had a nice 95 GSR, threw on a jackson racing supercharger. didn't reduce timing, used plugs that were too hot, and melted thru a piston. yes, MELTED! I was at the shop and saw them first hand. He's lucky he didn't fry the rods. From what they looked like, he was driving there with 1.5 cylinders working correctly. yes, I said .5
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