for my sloppy b11 it only takes about about 30 lbs in the rear to get the rear end to want to kick out. might be my crappy tires. if i put 40 or 50 lbs it would be really wanting to have the rear end kick out.
I can assure you that the 30 psi makes your rear tires grip more. Reduce the pressure to 20 psi in the rear and see what I mean.
Mike
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I'm going to ignore the comments on the "FF drifting is not real drifting" and say something about how drift on an FF car from my own experience.
First off, in order to drift successfully in an FF car, you need a really wet surface. So if you're in the snow or rainy region, count yourself lucky.
The amount of time you hold the e-brake depends on how tight the corner is. You have to be at the correct speed and have enter the corner at the right angle to be able to execute the drift correctly.
As you turn into the corner, put your foot on the clutch and quickly pull the e-brake and let the tail-end slide. Let the foot off the clutch a little after you've begun drifting. In order to maintain the slide, give short blips to the throttle to keep the car in a rev range that will give you the right amount of torque. Start countersteering a little before approaching the corner exit.
Because you're in an FF car, you need to remember that grippy tires will not help you drift, so make sure you get really slippery tires and slap them on. Having power going to the front tires makes it difficult for FF cars to drift, so getting it right will take some time. The timing of the drift procedures depends on what car you have and what kind of handicaps it has by default. The drift procedure I prescribed is from my experiences on a '93 Toyota Corolla Station Wagon. YMMV.
Personally, I do this every winter, and its a lot of fun. However, I don't like the whole drifting scene that is spreading in the United States these days, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate it. If you are serious about drifting, I would recommend buying a RWD car, because its just that much easier if you begin with the "right"-wheel-drive. Another good thing would be that you buy/download/borrow the "Drift Bible" DVD. Tsuchiya did a good job with explaining how to drift, what to expect when drifting with certain kinds of cars, and what maintanence you should do to a car if you are to drift it every so often.
This is probably the one and only time I will ever talk about drifting. So there you have it.
You can't drift in a FF car like lets enter a drift contest and win sort of way but you can certainly get oversteer can control it sometimes in a pretty neat way to watch sort of way.
A race or hot street suspension tuned FF car is set up to oversteer in lift throttle conditions or with trail braking. So you come into a turn, trail brake and the rear will start to slide or rotate as racers call it. The rear end will pitch out and help the car point towards the apex without over cooking the front tires. As the attitude of the car gets about 30 degrees sideways, you can simultaniously flick a little opposite lock and give it full throttle. The car comes out of the oversteer and rockets out of the turn. This is pretty spectacular and is not lame like ass sliding with the parking brake, etc.
You can do it on any sort of tires, even soft compond race tires.
Its the fast way around in an FF car. A stock FF car will usualy just plow and understeer, wearing and overheating the front tires.
Mike
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i can certainly try it. At 20 lbs i'd expect some serious scary side wall deformation.
did i mention i'm talking about 13x70x170 tires, not stiff low profile tires.
with my tires it seems that more pressure makes the contact patch smaller and more prone to sliding.
wow those are small tires. You can also try inflating the rear tires to 50 psi hot. Really high pressure will crown the tires reducing grip, really low pressures will make more slip angle reducing grip, in the middle will have best grip. The stiffness will help you come out of the drift smoother. Inflating the front tires to around 40 psi hot or to where they only slightly roll over will help your front grip.
Easy way to find good pressure is to mark your sidewalls with a stripe of white out, then corner hard and see where the white out gets rubbed off, you want to run pressure where the whiteout is just getting rubber off only on the sholder of the tread to sidewall or about 1/2" up the sidewall. For low performance stock tires, this is usualy about 40 psi or even higher.
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You can't drift in a FF car like lets enter a drift contest and win sort of way but you can certainly get oversteer can control it sometimes in a pretty neat way to watch sort of way.
A race or hot street suspension tuned FF car is set up to oversteer in lift throttle conditions or with trail braking. So you come into a turn, trail brake and the rear will start to slide or rotate as racers call it. The rear end will pitch out and help the car point towards the apex without over cooking the front tires. As the attitude of the car gets about 30 degrees sideways, you can simultaniously flick a little opposite lock and give it full throttle. The car comes out of the oversteer and rockets out of the turn. This is pretty spectacular and is not lame like ass sliding with the parking brake, etc.
You can do it on any sort of tires, even soft compond race tires.
Its the fast way around in an FF car. A stock FF car will usualy just plow and understeer, wearing and overheating the front tires.
Mike
My experience was with a completely stock Corolla, which would only provide me with a slide in snow. That's why I recommended that if one were to do it my way, they better find a wet spot. I need to take a video of me doing this somewhere to illustrate what I'm talking about. If I were to personally pursue drifting, I would most certainly go with an FR car (its just so much easier to lose grip with them).
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LOL, this is funny, cuz they got an EG drifiting in it, they explina it really well, so i suggest watching the video, either dl it from ******* (not giving my secrets away) or go buy it from Suncoast or any store they havem tehm in Enlish and not just the fan subed versions btw i hate Devrys crappy gateway machines.
LOL, this is funny, cuz they got an EG drifiting in it, they explina it really well, so i suggest watching the video, either dl it from ******* (not giving my secrets away) or go buy it from Suncoast or any store they havem tehm in Enlish and not just the fan subed versions btw i hate Devrys crappy gateway machines.
alright, that's wonderful, we've all heard about initial d about 1,000 times. Still doesn't make it actual, real drifting, period. Hence the reason this sticky was made.
Obviously the video game isnt that real, its a VIDEO GAME, i was meaning the movies, they have some really good information, nad they explain the drift process very well, its not 100% perfect because i dont think you can gutter tun a car at 65mph in a turn. but w/e get mad because i mentiond it, i dont care i was just saying the information is really good.
I have a suspension set-up right now for a b12 if anyone wants it- PERFECT for 'drifting'.... it's called 2 broken rear struts! A bottomed out rear suspension is more than enough to swing the tail out hard-core with little effort. (and I mean just turning sharply.. No e-brake, no throttle lift, nothing. Period!)
Own yours today! Just find a big log and drive over it several times in cold weather. (Mine was due to a combination of mini-ice burgs and logs.. and railroad ties... and potholes.. and rocks.. and roadkill larger than Lassy..)
Seriously though, if you aren't driving on the street, the broken strut method works sickeningly well.
On the streets, it's just scary and plain un-safe to drive. And probably illegal.
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With a FF you cannot drift in the conventional sense, you can however do one of two things: whip the rear end out or, put the whole car into a 4 wheel slide. You can slightly modify the attitude of the car in the slide with throttle/clutch control. You don't have to use the e-brake all the time to induce a slide either, regular foot brake and rapid accelleration coming into the corner will help whip the rear out...unfortunately though the slides a ff are more violent in nature then that of a rwd or awd.....I have a question for some of the more avid RWD drifters out there.....I need a list of lightweight RWD japanese cars that can be found here in the US to help me make a decision on what I wanna do for an inexpensive drifting platform....please PM me with some info if you feel so inclined......
Actually, what FF drifting basically is, is power sliding... ur abusing gravity is all ur doing.. I used to have a 98 GXE with 2" drop and stock size tires that would handle corners with pure essence... There wasnt a single car that could outhandle me on 25th street west between Ave. J and Lancaster Blv. (California) going 90-100MPH. It's all about Time Driving+Time driving secific car+How well you know your car and all of its handicaps as well as advancments+your attention span.... lol why I say attention span is because some people dont pay any attention to ripping/tearing/cracking sounds that usually mean "Ok, somethings giving way, I think I should stop doing this now" But as some have mentioned.. you cannot Drift in sense of what drifting really is.. It's like saying "I can swim" but you have floaties on... lol
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AEM Intake and NISMO S-tune Cat-Back Exhaust System.. that's all I got so far within the first month of ownership. :lame: isnt it? :rolleyes:
btw, i have never driven in a rwd car, but i found on a slightly rainy day a little field with water, pulling the e-brake a little, 180's and 90's are still fun as hell. Now im a newbie to drifting and driving, so yes i dont know jack shit, but I do know whats fun. Ive learned although a couple of things from forums and videos though, and its apparent drifting with rwd is much easier, but hell i dont have enough money to buy another car, so im sticking with what i got.
btw i hate Devrys crappy gateway machines.
(Mine was due to a combination of mini-ice burgs and logs.. and railroad ties... and potholes.. and rocks.. and roadkill larger than Lassy..)
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