All of u guys that talk shit about drifting are dumbasses. If u dont like drifting i understand, its like me not likeing NASCAR, but that dosent mean u can start criticiseing other people for doing it, and u cant fucking compare drifting to nascar or rally. Each sport reqieres diferent skill and or maybe the same. But each of them are unique on their own way. so shut up, and also I know alot of people been buying 240sx now cause of the drifitng hitting US, and i do think thats fucking stupid or if u guys wana call it RICE. I am a drifter and proud of it, and ill be at the D1 with my JDM 180sx. if u guys think that RICE meet at the track or drag stip.
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All of u guys that talk shit about drifting are dumbasses. If u dont like drifting i understand, its like me not likeing NASCAR, but that dosent mean u can start criticiseing other people for doing it, and u cant fucking compare drifting to nascar or rally. Each sport reqieres diferent skill and or maybe the same. But each of them are unique on their own way. so shut up, and also I know alot of people been buying 240sx now cause of the drifitng hitting US, and i do think thats fucking stupid or if u guys wana call it RICE. I am a drifter and proud of it, and ill be at the D1 with my JDM 180sx. if u guys think that RICE meet at the track or drag stip.
Calm down. Everyone is just saying what they think about it. And why can't we compare drifting to nascar or rally. Rally and nascar are timed RACES, where drifting as far as I know is based on show and style, not time. And I think everyone in this thread has achknowledged that drifting takes alot of skill and isn't rice. But its not a motorsport.
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Actually I've done official SCCA rallycross. In the corners, you do drift, but no it's not the same. Rallycross is something FWD cars actually do well in!
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All of u guys that talk shit about drifting are dumbasses. If u dont like drifting i understand, its like me not likeing NASCAR, but that dosent mean u can start criticiseing other people for doing it, and u cant fucking compare drifting to nascar or rally. Each sport reqieres diferent skill and or maybe the same. But each of them are unique on their own way. so shut up, and also I know alot of people been buying 240sx now cause of the drifitng hitting US, and i do think thats fucking stupid or if u guys wana call it RICE. I am a drifter and proud of it, and ill be at the D1 with my JDM 180sx. if u guys think that RICE meet at the track or drag stip.
Watch the language in your posts or you won't last long on this forum...
Actually I've done official SCCA rallycross. In the corners, you do drift, but no it's not the same. Rallycross is something FWD cars actually do well in!
exactly, imagine a rallyX where you just do pretty donuts till you raise enough dust that you feel satisfied.
i guess some of the drifiting/rice thing is that it's a culture and an image. not directly tied to any actual motor sport.
hah I'll have to get a good drift setup for my dasunb210. not.
maybe someone can find a way to elevate it above car culture, low rider hopping contests haven't made it any further than VW bug burnout competitions. it's just not a 'sport'
All of u guys that talk shit about drifting are dumbasses. If u dont like drifting i understand, its like me not likeing NASCAR, but that dosent mean u can start criticiseing other people for doing it, and u cant fucking compare drifting to nascar or rally. Each sport reqieres diferent skill and or maybe the same. But each of them are unique on their own way. so shut up, and also I know alot of people been buying 240sx now cause of the drifitng hitting US, and i do think thats fucking stupid or if u guys wana call it RICE. I am a drifter and proud of it, and ill be at the D1 with my JDM 180sx. if u guys think that RICE meet at the track or drag stip.
Its good that you're proud of being a drifter. No one is stopping you from being so. Learn to live with criticism. If you can't, you don't belong to the world of drifting or any competition whatsoever. And echoing what myoung said, watch your language. Using profanity does not make your argument any better. It instead makes you look stupid and your argument invalid, just like a trash guy talking about NASCAR.
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drifting seems pretty sweet to me. i have been doing my own form of it all week on my hard packed snow roads here in WI. my 200sx is actually really good. it understeers at first, then the back slips out and its real smooth and fun. i can hold it forever on the right roads. way better than my old car (Geo Metro 2D hatch). lol. I do REAL drifting with my rwd cars. my 01 Silverado 2wd is good but somewhat hard. my corvette is really hard with its ultra sticky tires.
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drifting seems pretty sweet to me. i have been doing my own form of it all week on my hard packed snow roads here in WI. my 200sx is actually really good. it understeers at first, then the back slips out and its real smooth and fun. i can hold it forever on the right roads. way better than my old car (Geo Metro 2D hatch). lol. I do REAL drifting with my rwd cars. my 01 Silverado 2wd is good but somewhat hard. my corvette is really hard with its ultra sticky tires.
Drifting in the snow is a great place to learn, cause it all happens in Slow motion and it sets you up to understand the scematics of how a car handles when it's otherwise about to bite you in the butt.
I'm in California though, so tough to find snow here which is why RWD is really the only way to go... My poor Carrera takes a beating in the sidewards action when ever it rains :-)
I've been to a couple of the Drift meetings locally at the Irwindale Speedway and it has to be said, it really is exhillerating to watch the Pro's at the speeds they nail them corners at... I dont care what others think, it's most definitely an art, and the feeling of being able to control a car when it's technically out of control, is quite amazing.
It's not for everyone but i'd love to have the opportunity to ride with a Pro around a track and see what it's like from their perspective.
I dunno....to me, this kind of "extreme car control" has been around for ages. Unlike the majority of my demographic, I like all kinds of motorsports...NASCAR, SCORE, Unlimited hydroplane racing, PRORally, WRC, Sprints, figure-8, demo derby, etc. (My personal fleet reflects this...65 Mustang, B13, WRX Wagon, Yamaha 250 quad, preunner truck, and now a Forester for the wife!)
If you ever get inclined to watch some dirt track midget cars, legends cars, or even some Harley dirt track racing, this "drifting" thing has been wowing the crowds for over 20 years. WRC and rally has made the pendulum turn, or "Scandanavian Flick," pretty famous on gravel and loose surfaces. It looks amazing, and utilizing the weight transfer of a car to negotiate a 180 degree turn takes a bunch of skill and grande huevos.
600HP sprint cars with the big wing and the direct drive (no tranny!!) find that kicking the tail out helps you keep the motor pegged for the launch into the straight. Sure, you could slow down and take the proper line off the turns, but have you ever seen how fast they come off the turn? Sliding it sideways and then hooking it up for the straight in a 600hp, 1000 pound sprint car must be a freaking blast.
Then you got guys with huge Trophy Trucks and open wheel "truggies" that go 100+ mph through some gnarly 3 and 4 foot whoops flat out in SCORE and other off-road venues. "Drifting" takes on a whole new meaning when running through a river wash and racing against a clock. You just can't let a motor get bogged down in silt and have to dig your rig out of some really soft sand/dirt and lose valuable time. Most of these trucks are 2wd and woudn't like to be on the other end of a tow strap. Having been down to Baja to watch both the 500 and the Mil, I've had 20 pound rocks thrown up at me as these trucks "drifted" past where we were camped. Lotsa fun there....
In my opinion, things haven't really taken off in the import drag arena. No one is really getting the respect like Warren Johnson, Big Daddy, Eddie Hiil, or the other old-timers once did when NHRA was young. Its just takes too much money to make a fwd car turn 9's and 8's...something out of the realm of most kids trying to both learn about their car AND go fast. Try that with an '69 El Camino that you can get parts for relatively cheap, learn to fix with one starter set of Crapsman tools, and go race on grudge night and be the hero. No can do with you 95 Supra for the same amount of green.
So any other genre fo the sport that can include relatively new and old imports is always good for the community, even though it may seem to be a bit ricey. I can go and pick out a relatively cheap RWD Nissan or Toyota, weld up the diff, get some hard tires, and blaze my own in tire smoke glory. Maybe I'll learn to better control my car when I'm hauling donations to the Goodwill store and some bunghole cuts me off. And maybe, just maybe, the drifter fan will look at a Harley dirt oval racer and agree that hanging the ass out while smoking past your competitor is just plain fun.
Yeah... Drifting is by no means a New thing.
But to go to a Tarmac track and hear the tyres screaming and all the smoke billowing... It's just a whale of a time!! I think you go there to see people wipe out too, which does happen... And that's half the fun!!
It's like fashion though, comes and goes in phases... Then re-adopts a new title and is all of a sudden hip again!
Drifting being the latest name for it... DAMN it's fun
well, not only do you need to have all the skills required to be a good autocross driver (because that's essentially what your doing, just sideways), plus you need to balance the rear tires momentum, keep the car pointed exactly where it needs to go, you need exellent shifting/hand brake skills and timing, you need excellent clutch, braking, and throttle control.
i would say to be a good drifter, you would need more skills than in most motorsports.
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well, not only do you need to have all the skills required to be a good autocross driver (because that's essentially what your doing, just sideways), plus you need to balance the rear tires momentum, keep the car pointed exactly where it needs to go, you need exellent shifting/hand brake skills and timing, you need excellent clutch, braking, and throttle control.
i would say to be a good drifter, you would need more skills than in most motorsports.
If you drift while autocrossing, you will be really slow. I would say being a top road racer is harder than drifitng. Its super hard to squeeze the last bit out of the car needed to beat another bunch of drivers and cars.
I mean some of the top drifters are also JTC and GT5000 drivers and they don't drift when they are serious and money is on the line, they switch to grip style.
When I first started racing many years ago I drove drifting all over the track and I was slow, then Randy Pobst took me aside and taught me how to really go fast, by driving around the outside of the friction circle and not excessivly sliding the car and bleeding off speed. It was harder to master this than my previous sideways style and I am still not a master of it.
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