I think you misunderstand....I'm not in anyway pissed.
I like all the DNE crew, and I wasn't trying to bash Loren or his opinion in any way. Sorry if it came across like that.
My thoughts are, if you don't know...like you said...anything more than a stereotype of something, it might be better to not say anything about it at all. I am not saying Loren knows nothing about drifting...but I'll say this, I know very little about porsche racing....never done it myself, so I wouldn't presume to know much about it...just going by popular knowledge.
seriously though...I'm sorry for this having dragged this so off topic. That was not my intention. And Loren, I meant no disrespect in my replies.....just hopefully more understanding. Thanks.
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Loren I would be interested in a tour of this track.
The problem isn't DNE per say, its just a group of mostly Maximas owned by mostly working class folks with not enough time or money. PCA has been around almost as long as Porsche has been in America. Maxima clubs?, not so long. Porsche has great SCCA and club support because it has always been a sort of sporting car; so much more so than your average 4 door FWD sedan that the DNE club is mostly made up of. So of course even bargain track events, like Maxus (and $125 for a day of instructed driving is a bargain) is not going to draw the same enthusiasm as from the RWD Porsche or BMW set. Again I'll touch on money, if you drive a Porsche or BMW you usually have all sorts of disposable income for things like 60 track sessions in a year. I would venture to say most of the real hard-core DNE supporters don't have that kind of cabbage, and some don't even drive Nissans anymore. Track clubs are great, but like private country clubs they are expensive, and then if you consider the money (and time) required to get a car track ready; I'd be surprised if 10 people actually show up, even for a free track day. I had a '71 914 (she was a beauty), and I was surprised how many people in newer 911's passed me and then slowed to give me a thumbs up, that never happens when I drive my SE-R around. Maybe people just love Porsche more than Nissan.
It's cool. I hope Loren didn't take it the wrong way either. I love DNE...I just get frustrated with misconceptions... A lot of people know what I'm saying. Anyways, no, I'm not ditching DNE just because Loren doesn't believe that drifting is a real motorsport...it's his (ahem, wrong) opinion, and he's welcome to own it...
(just so everyone know...the previous paragraph was meant in a humorous way, and nothing derogatory was meant.)
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It's cool. I hope Loren didn't take it the wrong way either. I love DNE...I just get frustrated with misconceptions... A lot of people know what I'm saying. Anyways, no, I'm not ditching DNE just because Loren doesn't believe that drifting is a real motorsport...
Only because it isn't a Motorsport. All that matters in F1, Indy, Nascar, carting, , funny cars, running Pike's Peak, monster trucks, swamp buggies and auto-X's is who has the fastest time and crosses the line first. If it isn't fastest time dependant, it isn't a Motorsport. Style is what they use to determine car shows and burnout contests, which are also not motorsports.
Have you ever noticed on Top Gear when they are just playing around they drift madly, but when the Stig (ex F1 driver Perry McCarthy) runs to get his best track times he doesn't? Yes drifting looks cool, but its not a motorsport.
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1997 Maxima GXE 5-SP (Big boost monster)
1979 Porsche 911 S/C (wide body monster)
2002 Porsche 911 Carrera (current track car)
2009-10 Porsche 911 GT3 (NA 3.8l with direct injection, PDK 7-sp and 450 hp) -
coming next spring, on the list at 2 dealers
Only because it isn't a Motorsport. All that matters in F1, Indy, Nascar, carting, , funny cars, running Pike's Peak, monster trucks, swamp buggies and auto-X's is who has the fastest time and crosses the line first. If it isn't fastest time dependant, it isn't a Motorsport. Style is what they use to determine car shows and burnout contests, which are also not motorsports.
Have you ever noticed on Top Gear when they are just playing around they drift madly, but when the Stig (ex F1 driver Perry McCarthy) runs to get his best track times he doesn't? Yes drifting looks cool, but its not a motorsport.
Ok...tell me this. Monster trucks have a timed race and showoff....so that is an invalid comparison. D1 qualifying is based on several things, one of which is speed.
In a tandem battle, a car will win if he passes his opponent cleanly...hmmm, sound familiar?
You also have no right calling me a either, as you obviously know nothing about drifting. And all that matters? What, do you beat off to F1? I mean,. , but come on, you can't seriously think you are being open minded here.
Time is important in drifting...if you don't realize that, try it....see how you do. You are probably one of the many, that see 2 minutes of footage of some lame duck Formula D event, and think..:"Hey, they made smoke with them tires....they must be doin burnouts!"
But if you can't BEAT or PUSH the other car...you LOSE!!!....How simple is that.
Why would Formual D have been sanctioned by the SCCA? Why would it be repeatedly called a motorsport? Did you re-write the dictionary?
Here's what I think you MEANT to say: Drifting isn't flat out racing.
I agree, it's a sport that makes drivers compete with several other variables added in the mix....not just strait line racing.
If you don't like it fine. But quit running your mouth about a MOTORSPORT you know very little about. There is a HUGE difference between a burnout contest or a car show and drifting.
P.S. You wouldn't have your beloved rally in it's finest without drifting. You are trying desperately to get me into a further argument, when I tried nicely to bow out. I even apologized if I had come across like I was mad at you. But this is getting rediculous....
Am I the only one here that drifts and see's it as a legitimit motorsport?
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Yes it is a Motorsport. "Drift-O" started in Japan when grip racers got tired of making perfect lines on a regular race track. I have been to both Formula D (in a parking lot) and D1 Grand Prix (on a track, although a shortened version) events, but who cares this thread was about touring a track.
Yes it is a Motorsport. "Drift-O" started in Japan when grip racers got tired of making perfect lines on a regular race track. I have been to both Formula D (in a parking lot) and D1 Grand Prix (on a track, although a shortened version) events, but who cares this thread was about touring a track.
You are very right....I have already apologized for getting the thread off course. I believe the track looks very lovely...I would pick flowers to adorn my F1 car someday there....lol. Just kidding. Tour good.
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I will be out at Eagle's Canyon running one of the P-cars on Saturday. I will let everyone know about potential dates. FYI, Maxus was $95 for a day with instruction last year...a real bargain.
If you think PCA DEs are just new high dollar Carreras and Turbos, you are wrong. The majority of Porsche track runners are in 944's, 70 to early 80's vintage 911's and Boxsters all bought used typically on lower budgets. Most do not have a lot of disposable income and have trouble even paying the cost for a good set of track pads (try $200-400 for both end for just the pads) or getting an extra set of stock wheels to run race tires. In fact, the typical autocrosser has more expendable income than the typical track runner. Yes there are a few newer 993's, 996's, 997's (including turbos and GT3s), but they are the minority and not the majority. In fact, you typically see only a couple newer 911 turbos out of the typical 240 who run an event.
We also have a variety of other cars from e36 and e46 BMWs, 350Zs, Corvettes, Miatas, Mustangs and Mini Coopers at PCA events. BMW events are even more diversified. Even the Miata club, which is a lower income group, does a track event every year. If you can afford a newer Maxima, 350Z, G35 Coupe or Mustang; you can easily afford a couple track days if you really want to drive the car. Most who go to the events just love to spend the time on the track and work to drive better. Hence they justify spending $200-275 for a weekend at the track and would easily jump at a $95 track day.
A lot even use their track weekends as vacations that could have been spent on other activities. All depends upon what you enjoy doing. Just think about a weekend running a track versus a weekend at the beach in Cancun or a weekend watching a pro race at the speedway. All are fun, but which do you enjoy more? Being the spectator or being the driver? Not everyone is a driver and that is fine. I just find that their are more spectators than drivers in our community and income is not the deciding factor.
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1997 Maxima GXE 5-SP (Big boost monster)
1979 Porsche 911 S/C (wide body monster)
2002 Porsche 911 Carrera (current track car)
2009-10 Porsche 911 GT3 (NA 3.8l with direct injection, PDK 7-sp and 450 hp) -
coming next spring, on the list at 2 dealers
I'm so down for the drive on the new course in North Texas. Put me in under DNE, and lets get more SpecV out there. =)
Yes drifting looks cool, but its not a motorsport.
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