The only time I would say ABS would be safer might be snow, and I hate driving in snow anyway.
I have to disagree with this. Driving in Snow is much safer with ABS disconnected. The reason being is that a fully locked wheel actually results in shorter stopping distances in snow than an unlocked wheel because the locked wheel builds up a wall of snow in front of it. Steering control can be regained by pumping the brakes.
On ice however, probably 99% of drivers would perform better with ABS. In keeping with some of what chimmike said, the world would be a better place if people learned threshold braking and were better prepared for panic stops and avoidance manoeuvres rather than relying on things like ABS. I have avoided some very bad situations (ever have a deer pop out in front of you at 60mph?) because of techniques I have learned through racing, I just wish my insurance company realized it.
PS - I love driving in snow. I wish we had more.
PPS - As for Mitsubishi, they have one of the best warranties going, but they are really bad for honouring it, they seem willing to do a lot to get out of claims.
I have to disagree with this. Driving in Snow is much safer with ABS disconnected. The reason being is that a fully locked wheel actually results in shorter stopping distances in snow than an unlocked wheel because the locked wheel builds up a wall of snow in front of it. Steering control can be regained by pumping the brakes.
On ice however, probably 99% of drivers would perform better with ABS. In keeping with some of what chimmike said, the world would be a better place if people learned threshold braking and were better prepared for panic stops and avoidance manoeuvres rather than relying on things like ABS. I have avoided some very bad situations (ever have a deer pop out in front of you at 60mph?) because of techniques I have learned through racing, I just wish my insurance company realized it.
PS - I love driving in snow. I wish we had more.
PPS - As for Mitsubishi, they have one of the best warranties going, but they are really bad for honouring it, they seem willing to do a lot to get out of claims.
I will take your word on it as I have had little experience driving in snow and ice. Last few years I have had summer tyres on so when we got the little snow we did, I didnt drive. In dry and wet I completely hate ABS (somewhat because I had a 1996 Pontiac that had very very oversensative sensors and I did not like the feel...it was almost as if I was not in control of the car). Personally, I prefer SS brake lines and a semi-carbon pad with no ABS. Any stop I could need to make would be no problem. Not to mention if drivers, especially American drivers, learned to always be sure they had somewhere to go in case their current path becomes blocked, then fewer accidents would occur. Way too many American drivers look solely at the car in front of them, rarely check their mirrors or search for alternative routes, talk on phones way too fucking much and even watch videos, and really cheap out on tyres and brakes. Americans view driving as a right and not as a responsibility or priveledge and it costs lives, quite a few lives in fact. If Americans (I cant speak for other countries) would realize that driving takes all of your attention and would hang up the fucking phone, actually go to a driving school and/or learn how to meneuver in the case of problem (I am not talking about a driving class), not cheapskate on important parts and actually pay attention, we would have much fewer fatalities. You mention deer which is ironic; I was driving home and on Dullaney Valley Road one poped out while I was doing as you said 60 (MPH). What do you know, I was focusing on driving, saw the deer with plenty of time, located the right place to veer and the Carbotechs and my fancy footwork did the rest stopping the car on a dime. What could have easily been an accident was just an inconvienence and it was avoided with premium parts and knowing how to use them, and happily ABS free.
car choice is relative to what you want the car to do.
I got my spec-v becuase of the handling and the stout stock engine because i do not plan on doing heavy mods to it. The lancer is nice, but its not all that great. I drove one when i was looking for a car. I liked the fit and finish on the sentra better than the mitsu. but hey, the 4g63 motor from an evo fits right in there.
just ask yourself what you want the car to do for you. and then make a choice
Learn how to use brakes without ABS and you'll make much shorter stops than those with abs....simple fact
ABS is for idiot drivers who just stab the brake pedal in all conditions.
Apperantly you have never drove on the East Coast....
You need ABS for the idiots that pull out infront of you, In MD if you hit a car in the rear it is automatically your fault...Therefore we have this thing called the Baltimore Space, if you have more then a car length in from of you someone will fill it
yeah, ABS is supposed to help with keeping the wheels from locking up, My Del Sol does not have ABS and if someone pulls out infront of me, I always skid the tires
Its also cheaper to have a car with ABS as far as insurance goes
Apperantly you have never drove on the East Coast....
You need ABS for the idiots that pull out infront of you, In MD if you hit a car in the rear it is automatically your fault...Therefore we have this thing called the Baltimore Space, if you have more then a car length in from of you someone will fill it
yeah, ABS is supposed to help with keeping the wheels from locking up, My Del Sol does not have ABS and if someone pulls out infront of me, I always skid the tires
Its also cheaper to have a car with ABS as far as insurance goes
You have no idea what threshold braking is... I live in MD and I will never drive with ABS. I live with big brakes and big knowledge. If you know how to properly brake, then the car will only lock when you make it lock.
You have no idea what threshold braking is... I live in MD and I will never drive with ABS. I live with big brakes and big knowledge. If you know how to properly brake, then the car will only lock when you make it lock.
Come on now, This was about what was proper to get, Just because you know how to brake properly w/o ABS doesnt mean someone else does. I know for a fact that it will lower insurance rates. I pay $80 for full coverage and then some. That is what I was paying on my 93 Del Sol.
Insurance companies wont care if you have brembo brakes on your car, It was just a matter of saftey over a " Cool Option"
I'm going to be buying a car this Februrary, and I'm torn between a Sentra and a Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart. Both of their times are almost identical (0-60, 1/4 Mile, etc.), so that doesn't help any. If someone here has test driven a Lancer before they purchased a Sentra, could you give me any insight as to why you chose the Sentra over the Lancer; or could anyone else give their impressions on how reliable/the performance of their SE-R VSpec? Thanks, and I appreciate any responses.
I actually bought the sentra 2.5 S and am still caught up in the dilemma. I just love the way a bright yellow ralliart looks and I am still looking for a trade. I know I probably have a better car but looks matter more and the ralliart did handle pretty good.
if you wanna save money go with the spec v, if you want to drive in the snow go with the lancer, just know that the spec v came in 3rd place in the rally races agaist the sti and lancer. i live in the colorado, were it snows a lot do hear, and if you plan to drive it in the mountains dont use the spec v, cuz even with snow tires, if its more then a cuple of inchs on the group you will be sliding all over.
no biggie. The EVO is a monster tough to beat. However with stock tires on the Spec V, you're right, it sucks in the snow. throw on some steelies and snow tires and you'll be good to go
The SRT-4 is a good car a freind of mine said it was like an STi with bad suspension but the acceleration was the same the SRT will pop up cause of the susp when you get on it and personally I think they are ugly but they are suppose to be a good car and they are harder to negotiate on. The dealer didnt wont to budge hardly at all on the sticker
__________________
2005 SE-R Nismo Cai, 2006 Spec V Wheels
I have to disagree with this. Driving in Snow is much safer with ABS disconnected. The reason being is that a fully locked wheel actually results in shorter stopping distances in snow than an unlocked wheel because the locked wheel builds up a wall of snow in front of it. Steering control can be regained by pumping the brakes.
On ice however, probably 99% of drivers would perform better with ABS. In keeping with some of what chimmike said, the world would be a better place if people learned threshold braking and were better prepared for panic stops and avoidance manoeuvres rather than relying on things like ABS. I have avoided some very bad situations (ever have a deer pop out in front of you at 60mph?) because of techniques I have learned through racing, I just wish my insurance company realized it.
PS - I love driving in snow. I wish we had more.
PPS - As for Mitsubishi, they have one of the best warranties going, but they are really bad for honouring it, they seem willing to do a lot to get out of claims.
I live in Indiana and the only time that I have ever driven in snow without ice underneath it is when the snow is slush and it doesn't even act like show at that consistency. In February of 2003 I drove my Spec V in a very bad snowstorm and it handled very well and stopped when I wanted it to stop...of course when I went to start again the 3 inches of snow I was driving through with ice under it made it almost impossible to move with the stock Continental semi-racing slick tires without the performance grip on dry pavement shitty shit ass tires that they put on it were more for digging trenches as the car skidded to the side and back.
I have since changed my tires to toyo prozes FZ4 and they haven't seen a winter yet so I'm hoping that the deeper tread and more aggressive pattern will move snow better than before. ps I still hate the continental tires
Last edited by nissanforumBlakeT : Dec 11th, 2004 at 08:56 AM.
Reason: adding a final thought
pretty much if you plan to do some winter driving in the mountains, go with a awd or 4wd, especially if you live some in a place were it could drop 6-12 inches of snow in a few hours. I love my spec v, but even with snow tires, when i am driving in the mountians, it just doesnt cut it. My homie has a STI with bliztec snow tires, and that car will go side ways if you want it too. But ask any one with a spec v, 6spd man, and they will say off the start it kills every one, and loses in 3rd gear.
Here is a question for yalls, which is better, turbo the ser, or super charging it.
Linear Mode
