mastercraft or pirelli??

notwhathow · Jul 12th, 2004, 10:14 PM

I just bought a b12 and i am going to take off the 170/85 R13 and put on some 180/70 R13 that i got off a parts golf and parts b12,

I have 3 mastercraft P794 and 3 Pirelli P4 any suggestons on which to put in front and which to put out back?? I drive pretty hard.

Oh and any suggestions on future tires when i get more money and/or aftermarket rims that will fit without suspension or brake mods??

livelyjay · Jul 13th, 2004, 10:34 AM

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Oh and any suggestions on future tires when i get more money and/or aftermarket rims that will fit without suspension or brake mods??

It won't matter what tires you put on front or back, they are all pretty much crap. I would put the two with the most tread on the front.

Rims/Tires: You aren't going to get a performance tire in a 13" diameter period, unless you get slicks. My suggestion is grab some cheaper 14" or 15" lightweight rims, and get some Falken Azenis from www.vulcantire.com, which will last about two summers, and are for summer use only. If you want some high performance all-seasons, go with the Toyo Proxes 4 which you can get from www.frisbyracetire.com. Don't get a rim larger than 15", because they look stupid, hurt your performance, and are overpirced. Those are my suggestions.

astreamk1 · Jul 13th, 2004, 11:48 AM

If you go with 14's you can use a 185/60/14 or go with 15's and run a 195/50/15. I just upgraded to the 15's. Only bad thing about 14's is that it seems your selection of availible wheels starts to get limited as does your tire choices.

My car is lowered 2 inches and the 15's look great under there without looking like Rice and there is still plenty of room. If you look into Azenis, you'll probably be forced to use a 205/50/15 which I am told will require spacers on the rear depending on your offset. Also, if you are not autocrossing the car, you might want to look into the Falken Ziexs. Are not quite as agressive, but should offer up a little better wear. I have had the Ziexs on the car for a couple of weeks now and they handle great.

Gsolo · Jul 14th, 2004, 12:34 AM

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I would put the two with the most tread on the front.

I hate saying this...but you're wrong. Put the best tires on the rear of the car keeps stability...its easier to control the front end if its gets squirly than it is to control the rear. If you don't believe me i think it was Michelin that did extensive testing on it.

minute rice sentra · Jul 14th, 2004, 01:00 AM

I know form experience, I got into a spin doing stupid shit which I would have been able to recover from otherwise, cost me the scare of my like because I ended up in a ditch between a telephone pole and a huge ass tree, if it weren't for the phone pole's guide wire I wouldv'e ended up in another tree after a couple more feet.
That's what I get for swerving for a squirrel, shut up it's not funny, it was in the corner of my eye and it's not uncommon for deer to run across the roads here.

Gsolo · Jul 14th, 2004, 01:56 AM

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I know form experience, I got into a spin doing stupid shit which I would have been able to recover from otherwise, cost me the scare of my like because I ended up in a ditch between a telephone pole and a huge ass tree, if it weren't for the phone pole's guide wire I wouldv'e ended up in another tree after a couple more feet.
That's what I get for swerving for a squirrel, shut up it's not funny, it was in the corner of my eye and it's not uncommon for deer to run across the roads here.

the squirrel part is hilarious cause of that one commercial, can't even remember what it was for. I wish I had the better tires on the rear...one time on pavement taking a friend to school i went around a corner at my normal high velocity and spun around, and was lucky i ended up in someone driveway....looking right back at the road. Very embarassing, everyone was staring at me. Actually i was probably more lucky that there were no cars in that driveway.

minute rice sentra · Jul 14th, 2004, 02:00 AM

I spinout on purpose periodicly(in the rain and stuff) just so I can better know the car's limits(and to scare my freinds sometimes), I suppose I just didn't know the characteristics of those tires well enough to handle the situation better.

Gsolo · Jul 14th, 2004, 02:04 AM

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I spinout on purpose periodicly(in the rain and stuff) just so I can better know the car's limits(and to scare my freinds sometimes), I suppose I just didn't know the characteristics of those tires well enough to handle the situation better.

next time, hit the poor squirrel. its usually better than risking injury to yourself, others, and the vehicle, and any property around you. It's still sad though...i've killed two birds and still feel guilty about it, even though it was their faults. I'd explain both stories but i'd be way ot

astreamk1 · Jul 14th, 2004, 07:11 AM

Good rule of thumb, if you tires are that bad, go buy 2 new ones. Even 2 of the cheapest new tires will serve you better than 2 bald ones. Esp in rain. For any of you guys still running on the stock 13's, Hell you can buy a new set of 4 here mounted and balanced for about $150.....

livelyjay · Jul 14th, 2004, 07:40 AM

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I hate saying this...but you're wrong. Put the best tires on the rear of the car keeps stability...its easier to control the front end if its gets squirly than it is to control the rear.

That may be true, but if you have nearly bald tires in the front, have fun driving in the rain and trying to keep from hydroplaning. Also stopping with bald tires won't be very fun either because brakes work only as well as your tires do. If you have poor tread on the fronts (which do most of the braking) you'll lock up every time.

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I know form experience, I got into a spin doing stupid shit which I would have been able to recover from otherwise

I got into the same situation but my tires were 90% tread all around, it was just pretty cold out that morning and I took an off-ramp too fast and the back end kicked out (this was with my Lancer, didn't have the Pulsar at that time). I ended up in a ditch 6 feet below street level and inbetween two trees, only damage was a small dent in the fender.

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the squirrel part is hilarious cause of that one commercial, can't even remember what it was for.

I think that was a Geico Insurance commercial.

Gsolo · Jul 14th, 2004, 11:50 AM

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I think that was a Geico Insurance commercial.

thats what i was thinking but wasn't sure...i almost died laughing first time i saw that.

But with the tire issue...yes it can make stopping harder BUT...at really high speeds the car is more stable with the rear end staying where it is suppose so instead of hydroplanning. Especially on frontwheel drives, its harder than hell to control the rear end that quickly...but the front end obviously you'll feel hydroplane and lift before anything else and you can correct it before it becomes a problem. Now some people can argue that the can control the rear end and they can feel if it began to lift etc etc...well ok fine whatever. I'm just stating something thats been proven for general purpose driving and use and it makes sense and it works. And also...if your tires are bad enough that you're worried about front grip under power then you need new tires all around. I usually get 4 tires cause I like the feeling of all 4 corners giving me the same input. but right now the pulsar has the worst tire setup ever and it shows...the back end wants to swing around the front end

astreamk1 · Jul 14th, 2004, 12:29 PM

Being this is my second B12, I have noticed that when pushed hard, both of them have a tendency to want to slide the back end out a bit. Also I noticed that both of my cars tended to feel like the front end was plowing a bit in hard turns. Car #1 was essentially stock except for running 14's on it, This car has all new performance suspension parts, and is lowered and still has that tendency but not nearly as bad. Hopefully I will be ordering the Whitline 4 point brace for my car to complete the package and I hope that this will help cure that problem somewhat... ???

I will be sure to let everyone know how it works out once it is on...

notwhathow · Jul 14th, 2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gsolo

I hate saying this...but you're wrong. Put the best tires on the rear of the car keeps stability...its easier to control the front end if its gets squirly than it is to control the rear. If you don't believe me i think it was Michelin that did extensive testing on it.

yeah it was in the June or July issue of motor trend

Gsolo · Jul 14th, 2004, 11:38 PM

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yeah it was in the June or July issue of motor trend

maybe thats where i read it.....i have half a million car mag subscriptions