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B11/B12/KN13 82-90 chassis B11 (1982-1985 Sentra), B12 (1986-1990 Sentra), and Pulsar

       
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Old Sep 21st, 2005, 03:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Don't take out CV axles?

Ok, I am confused. I keep reading that you should not remove your CV axles, because you need a special tool to realign the splines??? I have replaced CV axles in two different sentras, and have not had any problems. I read that if you pull both out at the same time that something falls out of alignment.
I just did a auto to 5 speed manual swap about 3 weeks ago, and had both CV shafts out at the wrecker, where I got it. Then when installing it I just rotated the shaft until it slid in. It went very smoothly,I had no problems with the transmission, aside from the 5th gear pop out (this doesn't have anything to do with the CV axles right...?) Has anyone had something "BAD" happen when pulling out both CV axles, or is this just a myth?
I am just asking, because I plan on swapping to a 5 speed, in a different car, (1993 saturn) and don't want to run into any problems . I've swapped from an auto to standard in 3 cars now. (A 82 Chevy K20, a 67 Ford Mustang, and 89 Sentra) Why oh why do I the Guy that loves to drive stick always get the automatics? oh well
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Old Sep 21st, 2005, 03:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes, if the tranny is rotated (engine turned over) while the axles are out you will have alignment problems.
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Old Sep 21st, 2005, 03:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Bob .I have replaced hundreds(literally) of axles in nissan (and all other Japanese) cars in years ranging from the early 70s to late 90s and have never had to have any special tool what so ever.I have been reading those my self and wondering the same thing.So thanks for asking,I will be very curious to hear about these stories.

P.S. as long as a hammer and a freezer dont count as special tools(for subarus) Ha Ha...
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Old Sep 21st, 2005, 03:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yes, if the tranny is rotated (engine turned over) while the axles are out you will have alignment problems.
what gets out of alignment?
I ask becuse we used to roll cars all around the shop with axles out .And for the life of me I cant think of what would or could get out of alignment unless something is broke inside the tranny or something like that.
Im not saying it cant happen but after hundreds and hundreds of r&r and no problems I would like to know how it happens.
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Old Sep 21st, 2005, 04:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Well if it is a matter of turning the input shaft without the CV axles installed I was playing with the transmission for about fifteen minutes at the auto wrecker. (I was turning the input shaft by hand, whilst my friend shifted it into the different gears to see if the transmisson "felt" good) No Alaignment problems for the CV axle.
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Old Sep 21st, 2005, 06:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Yea, I kinda wondered about that post. Never heard of such a tool. Never had a problem slipping in axles. It's not like there is a timing issue or anything.
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Old Sep 22nd, 2005, 12:03 AM   #7 (permalink)
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i dont get it...there's a big warning box in my chiltons manual about this tool and how you shouldn't attempt to remove the axels w/o it. Someone on here said that when they pulled their transmission, they kept the inner CVs in the tranny when they pulled it. For safety sake that seems like a good idea, but a real hassle to wrestle with.

btw i removed one axle at a time w/o the tool
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Old Sep 22nd, 2005, 12:10 AM   #8 (permalink)
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what gets out of alignment?
I ask becuse we used to roll cars all around the shop with axles out .And for the life of me I cant think of what would or could get out of alignment unless something is broke inside the tranny or something like that.
Im not saying it cant happen but after hundreds and hundreds of r&r and no problems I would like to know how it happens.
Happened to me once on a Mazda with high mileage.
The tranny was probably worn or abused.
Since then, I don't move anything until the axle is in.
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Old Sep 22nd, 2005, 06:46 AM   #9 (permalink)
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when I changed the clutch in my 90 I was a bit worried about that too. I ended up finding some 3/4" or 1" conduit laying around the garage that fit into the splines perfectly. I just made 2 dummy shaftes and left them in there while I took the tranny down and moved it around. I did not have any problems getting them back in.

I have also found that leaving the tranny in neutral, and rotating the driveshafts/diff while pushing them in seems to aid in aligning the clip at the end of the splines.
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Old Sep 22nd, 2005, 07:34 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I am the one who left in the inner shafts but that was on a JY tranny not what I would do with my shafts, I think it is a posability that the gears inside the diff can fall out of allignment or out of position if both shafts are out not saying it will but since it can and probably has Chiltons and probably Nissan recomend the tool. I have never had this problem but I figure it "could" happen. But a similarly sized shaft of wood or plastic should be good try to avoid metal.
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Old Sep 22nd, 2005, 07:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I have taken my gearbox out of my car 20+ times and never had any special tools to remove the cvs and never had a problem with the alignment being out.

My short side shaft has a clip on the end, i just give a good tug and it pops out.

My friend has a mazda 323 2l if he turn his gearbox without the cvs in, the diff collapses. but his car is reall really really SCREWED up. he abuses this car really really bad
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Old Sep 23rd, 2005, 01:03 AM   #12 (permalink)
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well knowing how nice murphy's law is to all of us. last night i pulled on my side shaft (the one bolted to the motor) after loosing all the bolts i just pulled the cv apart. ((
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Old Sep 23rd, 2005, 03:27 AM   #13 (permalink)
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thats why the title to this thread is "Do not take out CV axles" LOL sorry to hear man maybe you can repair it
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Old Sep 23rd, 2005, 10:47 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Well mabey if I get real bored, I might take my old automatic tranny apart to see if there is anytrhing in the diff that could fall out of alaingnment.
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Old Sep 24th, 2005, 08:27 PM   #15 (permalink)
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nah wasnt anythign big just a case of pushing the balls back in and fasting the boot again. Nothing big or expensive
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