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ronaldo · Apr 27th, 2004, 08:10 PM

1. heel and toe is simply used to keep the revs up when entering a corner, in order to do that you have to down shift, but match the revs, and brake all at the same time to save time, instead of, breaking, then letting go of it to press in the clutch, and rev up and then go back to the break, that takes more time, and , by not reving at all you will get that jolt, but your rpms will also drop more, giving you a slow exit speed
2. i dont think its a matter of how stiff the suspension but the balance of front to rear. Even if someone has a really stiff suspension it could still as be very driftable, i think its more about getting rid of body roll, and getting more better response so you would be able to drift or grip with extra control ... for example at the D1 a little while back, there was even an jgtc viper drifting for fun and it is a full on race car. (I'm still tryin to understand this stuff more, just my thought on it)
as for the drifting being slower comment, its more about the circumstances and whether it is show drift with huge angles or fast drift where the tail doesnt come out as much, cause drifting as a sport isnt about speed, its about the style and those big angles. as for canyon driving or rally, for really tight corners, drift is the best way around it, watch some wrc.. good effect drift technique.

3. four wheel drift to my knowledge would be drifting with an awd drive car, which is still basically the same concept as drifting with rwd... again look at some wrc. UNless im misunderstanding the question.
as for the slip angle-"Slip angle is a term used to describe a particular type of flex in tires. Even though the name uses the word "slip," this characteristic has nothing to do with slipping or skidding. Slip angle is a measurement of how much the tire's contact patch has tw isted (steered) in relation to the wheel. A good way to demonstrate this characteristic is to stand beside your car and turn the steering wheel. If you watch the left front wheel, you will see that it steers a few degrees before the tire's contact patch starts to turn. It is not uncommon for this slip angle to be as large as 6 to 10 degrees on the race track.
This characteristics is important, because as long as the tires have traction, the car tries to go where the tires are pointed. So, even though the wheels may not be steering, the tires can be steering due to the slip angle. "

anyone please correct me if im wrong with any of this info

Apr 27th, 2004, 08:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
ronaldo Nissan Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: northridge, CA Posts: 460	1. heel and toe is simply used to keep the revs up when entering a corner, in order to do that you have to down shift, but match the revs, and brake all at the same time to save time, instead of, breaking, then letting go of it to press in the clutch, and rev up and then go back to the break, that takes more time, and , by not reving at all you will get that jolt, but your rpms will also drop more, giving you a slow exit speed 2. i dont think its a matter of how stiff the suspension but the balance of front to rear. Even if someone has a really stiff suspension it could still as be very driftable, i think its more about getting rid of body roll, and getting more better response so you would be able to drift or grip with extra control ... for example at the D1 a little while back, there was even an jgtc viper drifting for fun and it is a full on race car. (I'm still tryin to understand this stuff more, just my thought on it) as for the drifting being slower comment, its more about the circumstances and whether it is show drift with huge angles or fast drift where the tail doesnt come out as much, cause drifting as a sport isnt about speed, its about the style and those big angles. as for canyon driving or rally, for really tight corners, drift is the best way around it, watch some wrc.. good effect drift technique. 3. four wheel drift to my knowledge would be drifting with an awd drive car, which is still basically the same concept as drifting with rwd... again look at some wrc. UNless im misunderstanding the question. as for the slip angle-"Slip angle is a term used to describe a particular type of flex in tires. Even though the name uses the word "slip," this characteristic has nothing to do with slipping or skidding. Slip angle is a measurement of how much the tire's contact patch has tw isted (steered) in relation to the wheel. A good way to demonstrate this characteristic is to stand beside your car and turn the steering wheel. If you watch the left front wheel, you will see that it steers a few degrees before the tire's contact patch starts to turn. It is not uncommon for this slip angle to be as large as 6 to 10 degrees on the race track. This characteristics is important, because as long as the tires have traction, the car tries to go where the tires are pointed. So, even though the wheels may not be steering, the tires can be steering due to the slip angle. " anyone please correct me if im wrong with any of this info __________________ subaru wrx?!?, wtf am i doin here...