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Originally posted by SpeedyTTZ
Ok look I am only said that this was what I was told I'm not saying that I know all of this stuff I'm just repeating what has been handed down to me.....ok! Second of all whats up with your challenge? No one wants to challenge anyone so why are you making this to be something bigger than what it really is.....all I said was how do I tune the Dual Mas setup, I did not come on here to get hassled. And as far as the lifters they may be stock I don't know all I know is, is that they said that with the valve train kit which cost me upwards of $1700 that it came with upgraded lifters. Now it may be that its actually stainless steel lifters I have no idea so don't flame me! Secondly I don't have a budget ok, money is just paper and is ment to be spent. This is something I plan on having in upwards of near the 600hp mark someday.... once the heads are fully built my motor is getting pulled and sent to Z1 Motorsports in GA to have them completely bore out the motor and redo everything from the bottom up. It will be a fully worked race motor that will be some what street legal. I won't be pulling the motor again until the fall so thats when its going to get is internals done and have the block bored, sleeved, and o-ringed.
Also for the record you don't know what I have done to my car so how can you say that its impossible to run the car with a well tuned safc?
cya
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Well, first you ask for help, then you get mad when you didnt get any replys to your post right away, then when I try to help you by asking questions and telling you that the way you want to control your engine tuning is a poor choice, you get mad.
If you are trying to build a 600 hp motor, then you are going to be asking for trouble by using a SAFC as your primary tuning device.
Also if your shop is telling you things like they are going to do a 5 angle mirror polish port, there is really no such thing as that, you must mean a 5 angle valve job with porting or something like that. Calling a MAF sensor a Mas. Ferrera valves are 1 mm, not 2mm bigger, no one makes dual titainum springs for the VG30, some sort of vauge lifter mod etc. I would wonder if your shop is trying to pull as fast one on you and charge you for all sorts of things that you don't need.
I am trying to help you so you won't get ripped off or have an engine that won't run right. Many shops are not competent to modify a Z or try to sell you all sorts of stuff you don't need, for instance, you don't need to sleeve or o-ring your motor for 600 hp. In fact sleeving will weaken the structure of your closed deck block, it is a trick that can make a open deck block like a Honda stronger, but not a closed deck block like a VG. Thats all expense that you don't need to do.
You don't need to use a $1700 valve train kit to make 600 hp, its just a waste of money. You don't even need oversize valves to do it. You don't need custom Ti spring or Ti retainers.
If you want to make 600 hp, ask and listen to some of the smarter Z guys here and tt.net like Zoe, Spongerider, Bernie, etc. They will tell you that you don't need money in the places you are spending it, it is better spent in the fuel managment, basic valvetrain and turbo departments first and you don't need a lot of expensive parts to do it.
If you don't want help, I won't reply to you anymore and sorry if I seemed like I was flaming you.
Mike